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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2016, 12:38:57 PM »
In the gutnick chumash it says that it's "minhag an"s" does that mean chabad minhag?
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2016, 02:19:59 PM »
In the gutnick chumash it says that it's "minhag an"s" does that mean chabad minhag?
אנ'ש = אנשי שלומינו = חב''ד

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2016, 11:52:56 PM »
אנ'ש = אנשי שלומינו = חב''ד
If the writer is Chabad
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2016, 12:13:04 AM »
If the writer is Chabad
As is the author of the Gutnick chumash

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #84 on: January 19, 2016, 12:14:15 AM »
As is the author of the Gutnick chumash
I was pointing out that אנש doesn't specifically have to be referring to Chabad. Your post wasn't so clear on that.
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2016, 07:36:54 AM »
As is the editor of the Gutnick chumash
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2016, 08:59:26 AM »
now we can discuss the different נוסחאות for when you do the shira trop and regular trop
ill start with ger the current minhag is the first והמים להם חומה is shira the second one is regular then every pasuk that doesn't have shem hashem is regular besides for וברוח אפיך and שמעו עמים which we do shira

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2016, 01:14:23 PM »
now we can discuss the different נוסחאות for when you do the shira trop and regular trop
ill start with ger the current minhag is the first והמים להם חומה is shira the second one is regular then every pasuk that doesn't have shem hashem is regular besides for וברוח אפיך and שמעו עמים which we do shira
Well AFAIK minhag chabad is the second והמים להם חומה then every possuk with שם השם, starting from ויושע and that's it. Also at the end of the last פסוק before the actual שירה we end off ויאמינו בה' וכו' like by the end of a sefer (חזק). Also by Miriam you do the tune by שירו לה...בים.
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2016, 08:58:00 AM »
Well AFAIK minhag chabad is the second והמים להם חומה then every possuk with שם השם, starting from ויושע and that's it. Also at the end of the last פסוק before the actual שירה we end off ויאמינו בה' וכו' like by the end of a sefer (חזק). Also by Miriam you do the tune by שירו לה...בים.
ויושע is also shira?

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2016, 10:13:41 AM »


Well AFAIK minhag chabad is the second והמים להם חומה then every possuk with שם השם, starting from ויושע and that's it. Also at the end of the last פסוק before the actual שירה we end off ויאמינו בה' וכו' like by the end of a sefer (חזק). Also by Miriam you do the tune by שירו לה...בים.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #90 on: January 25, 2016, 05:27:25 PM »
Probably no chiddush for baalei kria, but just to mention a general yedia. The difference between taam hatachton and taam ha'elyon is that taam hatachton is divided according to pesukim upon mesorah, whereas taam ha'elyon is divided by the aseres adibros; every mitzva a separate passuk.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #91 on: January 25, 2016, 06:08:11 PM »
Probably no chiddush for baalei kria, but just to mention a general yedia. The difference between taam hatachton and taam ha'elyon is that taam hatachton is divided according to pesukim upon mesorah, whereas taam ha'elyon is divided by the aseres adibros; every mitzva a separate passuk.
ראה שו''ע הלכות שבועות בכ'ז
Just to mention that it has become minhag chabad (I believe based on Reb Mottel Shusterman) that for every פזר in the עשרת הדיברות, we replace it with a מרכה כפולה.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #92 on: January 26, 2016, 03:23:08 AM »
now we can discuss the different נוסחאות for when you do the shira trop and regular trop
ill start with ger the current minhag is the first והמים להם חומה is shira the second one is regular then every pasuk that doesn't have shem hashem is regular besides for וברוח אפיך and שמעו עמים which we do shira
Due to the snow this shabbos I was zoche to hear the shira from the Baal koreh in 770. I noticed two differences to what I wrote before:1) he finished off מימינם ומשמאלם like חזק.    2) he did another פסוק in the Sheffield tune even though it didn't have Hashem's name. Unfortunately I'm not certain which possuk that was.
Also if anyone knows a difference between TT and the regular chumash for parshas beshalach please don't hesitate to share.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #93 on: January 26, 2016, 03:25:42 AM »

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #94 on: January 26, 2016, 07:03:52 AM »
Due to the snow this shabbos I was zoche to hear the shira from the Baal koreh in 770. I noticed two differences to what I wrote before:1) he finished off מימינם ומשמאלם like חזק.    2) he did another פסוק in the Sheffield tune even though it didn't have Hashem's name. Unfortunately I'm not certain which possuk that was.
Also if anyone knows a difference between TT and the regular chumash for parshas beshalach please don't hesitate to share.
if צללו is a שוא or a חטף פתח

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #95 on: January 26, 2016, 11:21:21 AM »
if צללו is a שוא or a חטף פתח
IIRC, the TT is based upon the Rodelheim which will have many חטף פתח where others have a שוא due to the yekkish הברה where they do this often. They say ברכו with a חטף as well.
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #96 on: January 26, 2016, 01:19:09 PM »
ראה שו''ע הלכות שבועות בכ'ז
Just to mention that it has become minhag chabad (I believe based on Reb Mottel Shusterman) that for every פזר in the עשרת הדיברות, we replace it with a מרכה כפולה.
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #97 on: January 26, 2016, 01:20:03 PM »
He's not the GF you've been talking about?
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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #98 on: February 10, 2016, 01:00:38 PM »
In פרשת משפטים the only difference I came across is in the possuk על כל דבר פשע on the word חמור, in other חומשים it has a תלישא גדולה and in the TT it has a תלישא קטנה.
In this week's parsha the only difference I found so far is where you end שני.

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Re: Laining/Baalei Kria
« Reply #99 on: February 10, 2016, 01:02:41 PM »
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