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LESSONS

1.  there / their / they're
2.  a vs. an
3.  went vs. have gone
4. It's vs. Its
5. Affect vs. Effect
6.  Capital vs Capitol

  • Commas go before the space, like this, not like ,this.
  • Commas/periods go after the close parenthesis (like this), not before (like this.)   (Unless the entire sentence is enclosed.)
  • All punctuation goes inside the quotation, like "this." not like "this".

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Author Topic: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101  (Read 21404 times)

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #135 on: January 17, 2018, 10:28:03 PM »

 I used to correct this a lot, but someone showed me a maareh makom that when it comes to change both effect and affect are correct and can be used interchangeably. Agree? I don't like it.




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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #136 on: January 18, 2018, 04:00:02 PM »
This is not a Hall of Shame thread.  Please do not copy posts with people's names.

This is a condensed thread to teach specific lessons to those who want to learn correct grammar and spelling.
We have many members whose mother tongue is not English.

Please title your post if you choose to add a lesson.  A font size of 12 pt in capitals will make that post easy to find.  The lesson posts will also be referenced in the wiki.

THERE / THEIR / THEY'RE

1. there - not here, but over there (It is easy to remember the spelling since 'there' has 'here' in it.)

2. their -  it belongs to them

3. they're - contraction of 'they are'  (It is easy to remember the spelling since the apostrophe replaces the missing 'a' in are.)

Examples: 
Correct:  They're picking up their luggage over there.

 Incorrect:  "They finally have a place to go to see there name or there having fun." [Liberty taken to change some key words for anonymity]
Correct:    "They finally have a place to go to see there their name or there they're having fun."
are you accepting requests? I love the way you did this, and sent it to my whole office. If you could do the same for were /we're and your /you're that would be great.

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #137 on: January 18, 2018, 06:41:04 PM »
+1

Or in plainer English:

If you count it, say "many"
If you measure it, say "much"

For example:

"I get so many packages from amazon lately, that I need to move into a much bigger house"

Technically, in the sentence above 'much' is an adverb modifying the adjective 'bigger'.

The confusion usually only arises when dealing with an adjective modifying a noun.
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #138 on: January 18, 2018, 06:43:13 PM »
are you accepting requests? I love the way you did this, and sent it to my whole office. If you could do the same for were /we're and your /you're that would be great.

WE'RE / WERE

Were is the past tense of are. EG: "those donuts were delicious" (past tense of "these donuts are delicious")

We're is a contraction (a combination) of "we are". So for example, "If you're serving donuts, we're coming to visit!" - means the same thing as "we are coming".



YOUR / YOU'RE

Your means "something that belongs to you". For example, "If you finish all of your donuts, you may have another one".

You're is a contraction of "you are". So for example. "If you eat all of those donuts, you're going to get fat" means the same thing as "you are going to get fat".
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #139 on: January 18, 2018, 06:44:18 PM »
Technically, in the sentence above 'much' is an adverb modifying the adjective 'bigger'.

The confusion usually only arises when dealing with an adjective modifying a noun.
True - a better sentence would be "I order so much stuff from Amazon, that they send me many packages every day."
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #140 on: January 18, 2018, 06:45:34 PM »
WE'RE / WERE

Were is the past tense of are. EG: "those donuts were delicious" (past tense of "these donuts are delicious")

We're is a contraction (a combination) of "we are". So for example, "If you're serving donuts, we're coming to visit!" - means the same thing as "we are coming".



YOUR / YOU'RE

Your means "something that belongs to you". For example, "If you finish all of your donuts, you may have another one".

You're is a contraction of "you are". So for example. "If you eat all of those donuts, you're going to get fat" means the same thing as "you are going to get fat".
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #141 on: January 18, 2018, 06:47:56 PM »
Thank you!
You're welcome :)

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #142 on: January 18, 2018, 07:54:35 PM »
True - a better sentence would be "I order so much stuff from Amazon, that they send me many packages every day."

No comma.

Commas are used after coordinating (FANBOYS) conjunctions.





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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #143 on: January 18, 2018, 08:26:12 PM »
No comma.

Commas are used after coordinating (FANBOYS) conjunctions.
Good point, though I never heard of FANBOYS

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #144 on: January 18, 2018, 08:33:02 PM »
@etech0
Can you help me convert this to 'plain English'?
(Not my strength...)

Unfortunately, this is a very common mistake for ESL speakers.

Word Order for Questions = Auxiliary Verb + Subject + Main Verb.

Correct: "Where can my bag be?"
Incorrect: "Where can be my bag?"

Or

Correct: "What should the girl say to her friends?"
Incorrect: "What should say the girl to her friends?"
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #145 on: January 18, 2018, 09:09:33 PM »
@etech0
Can you help me convert this to 'plain English'?
(Not my strength...)

Unfortunately, this is a very common mistake for ESL speakers.

Word Order for Questions = Auxiliary Verb + Subject + Main Verb.

Correct: "Where can my bag be?"
Incorrect: "Where can be my bag?"

Or

Correct: "What should the girl say to her friends?"
Incorrect: "What should say the girl to her friends?"
Hmmm, this is a harder one to answer. What is the auxiliary verb? "where", or "where can"?
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #146 on: January 18, 2018, 09:10:06 PM »
are you accepting requests? I love the way you did this, and sent it to my whole office. If you could do the same for were /we're and your /you're that would be great.

You're welcome :)

Someone had to step in while @srap is offline.
:D You did a great job.  I'm going to add my .02.


YOUR / YOU'RE  and  WERE / WE'RE

The real question is when to use YOU'RE and WE'RE.  YOUR and WERE are generally used correctly.

The apostrophe stands for MISSING letter(s).  These are called contractions: 
you're = you+are            and             we're = we+are
If you can substitute two words for the one, then it needs an apostrophe to be a contraction.

Examples:
Correct:     You are going to get your car.
Correct:     You're going to get your car. 
Incorrect:   Your going to get your car.        (If 'you are' can be substituted, then it needs an apostrophe)
Try it:         You are going to get you are car.

Correct:     We are where we are supposed to be today, not where we were supposed to be yesterday.
Correct:     We're where we're supposed to be today, not where we were supposed to be yesterday.
Incorrect:   Were where were supposed to be today, not where we were supposed to be yesterday.   
                          (If 'we are' can be substituted, then it needs an apostrophe.)
Try it:         We are where we are supposed to be today, not where we we are supposed to be yesterday.
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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #147 on: January 18, 2018, 10:32:02 PM »
DEFINITELY / DEFIANTLY

Definitely: in a definite way: in a way free of all ambiguity, uncertainty, or obscurity.  Example: I will definitely be there.

Defiantly: in a defiant manner: in a way that is full of or shows a disposition to challenge, resist, or fight.  Example: She spoke out defiantly against the proposed law.

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #148 on: January 18, 2018, 10:32:41 PM »
DEFINITELY / DEFIANTLY

Definitely: in a definite way: in a way free of all ambiguity, uncertainty, or obscurity.  Example: I will definitely be there.

Defiantly: in a defiant manner: in a way that is full of or shows a disposition to challenge, resist, or fight.  Example: She spoke out defiantly against the proposed law.

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Re: Grammar and Spelling Lessons 101
« Reply #149 on: January 25, 2018, 02:54:19 PM »
DEFINITELY / DEFIANTLY

Definitely: in a definite way: in a way free of all ambiguity, uncertainty, or obscurity.  Example: I will definitely be there.

Defiantly: in a defiant manner: in a way that is full of or shows a disposition to challenge, resist, or fight.  Example: She spoke out defiantly against the proposed law.

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Wait, what? This is something people actually mix up? I feel like maybe it's a Swype type of mistake, but not more than that.