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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #90 on: January 27, 2016, 04:44:19 PM »
UA issued you a BP for the US flight?
Yup. This was back when they were working very close. Probably in the summer of 2012. I think I was flying roundtrip NYC-MSY with a stopover in DCA both ways, (or maybe it was IAD) with the first leg on UA and the other 3 legs of the reservation was on US.
I'm not sure how that would fit into this story but I thought it's an interesting thing to note.

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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #91 on: January 27, 2016, 10:00:57 PM »
Never knew that one airline could print a BP for another airline, even they are very close

Perhaps I learn new things every day.

I thought you probably forgot the details etc.
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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #92 on: January 27, 2016, 10:23:03 PM »
Ronnei, may or may not be a shmuk, but you definitely are ;)
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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #93 on: January 27, 2016, 10:55:06 PM »
Never knew that one airline could print a BP for another airline, even they are very close
Really? I would say this is Alef Beis of airlines.

That's nonsense.
Officially no airlines will rebook business awards on another airline revenue, but if you push hard enough they will. Took many many reps, but I got AA to move us to UA in an irrops situation like that and UA had no issues taking AAs money.
Why would they??
Of course Elal wouldn't care if it really got re validated. The question at hand is if it got re validated which it looks like it did. Although I have had denied boarding at the gate even though there was a BP for reasons that I know, but again it shows having a BP doesnt mean you are OK to fly.



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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #94 on: January 27, 2016, 10:59:39 PM »
Of course Elal wouldn't care if it really got re validated. The question at hand is if it got re validated which it looks like it did. Although  I have had denied boarding at the gate even though there was a BP for reasons that I know, but again it shows having a BP doesnt mean you are OK to fly.
Maybe those stories also involved some schmuck at the gate..

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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #95 on: January 27, 2016, 11:01:28 PM »
Maybe those stories also involved some schmuck at the gate..
It had nothing to do with the GA, I can promise you that.

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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #96 on: January 27, 2016, 11:33:51 PM »
Well, you know what the case there was, the pax had a BP and was good to go but when the airline realized that he skipped a segament they just suspended the ticket. That is a valid reason.

In fact the tickets then we're not suspended as was able to use its value later (just had to pay the regular change fee). They just didn't allow it for travel at that time as a segment(s) was skipped

I said exactly what happened. Yes it was a mileage ticket. Which makes no difference.It does. See my reply to @chff. It proves what it needs to prove, LY wants to say now that it was not ticketed in F the reservation online and the BP show that it WAS.

Did you actually see the "ticket"? Was it issued properly?  Could be there was an issue with the ticket, just as I have mentioned when I had UA screw up and the pax their space on OAL.

Once had LH 'rebook' a pax of mine to LOT but forgot to "ticket" and LOT made then pay to be able to board. Took a long fight, and still haven't recovered the full comp from LH

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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #97 on: January 27, 2016, 11:42:59 PM »
Really? I would say this is Alef Beis of airlines.
Of course Elal wouldn't care if it really got re validated. The question at hand is if it got re validated
I don't think that YOU want to make me repeat my self again.
Although I have had denied boarding at the gate even though there was a BP for reasons that I know, but again it shows having a BP doesnt mean you are OK to fly.
Well, you know the answer but I guess you want me to make it clear. Of course when you have a fraudulent ticket via mileage etc where the ticket in the system is perfectly fine you will be able to print a BP, but when some agent in corporate security decided that the miles were sold etc she/he canceled the ticket for that reason. NOT because the ticket was not VALID for F or anything of that sort. The point is that if I was able to print a BP for F that means that I WAS ticketed for F. And again, even they kept on changing their mind, first they said that I am ticketed in F but UA was not allowed to do that. After I convinced them that they are talking non sense they came up with the re-validation crap. Which again, is mind boggling to me and I can't understand what LY was thinking. They saw I know at least Alef Beis, and they saw that I knew that it was not even a reval, it was a brand new ticket reissue, what were they thinking? Why should I and why will I buy their crap? I guess its an Israeli thing
« Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 11:53:39 PM by ilherman »
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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #98 on: January 27, 2016, 11:51:57 PM »

Did you actually see the "ticket"? Was it issued properly?  Could be there was an issue with the ticket, just as I have mentioned when I had UA screw up and the pax their space on OAL.
Yes and yes, Meir613 gave a rant when I repeated my self last time so i will not repeat it again,  ;) but check back in the thread. I sent over documentation of all the tickets to a member in this thread. And moreover
And again, even they kept on changing their mind, first they said that I am ticketed in F but UA was not allowed to do that. After I convinced them that they are talking non sense they came up with the re-validation crap.

Once had LH 'rebook' a pax of mine to LOT but forgot to "ticket" and LOT made then pay to be able to board. Took a long fight, and still haven't recovered the full comp from LH

Please, everyone, stop repeating these kind of stories. Of course I know that it happens many time especially during IROPS that tickets for other carriers are not being reissued properly and those people WILL have problems. LO was a 100% correct for not letting your pax board since there was no Eticket.

But in THIS case there WAS a proper Eticket. This is the big difference between this story and all other stories you guys are mentioning.
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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #99 on: January 27, 2016, 11:54:57 PM »
ETA

The FT link above was not good. I fixed it.

Sorry,

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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2016, 12:08:21 AM »
I don't think any one really thinks you are wrong, but the way you posted the whole story with all caps and emotion you brought into it can turn people off.

Starting a thead title with "HELP" in caps is a huge read flag that OP is a nOOn and doesn't know what he's talking about.

I personally think you do what you are talking about, but you are just not presenting yourself  in a professional matter rather like someone asking compensation for having to sit next to a crying baby, which most people aren'tinterested in hearing.


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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #101 on: January 28, 2016, 12:16:59 AM »
I don't think any one really thinks you are wrong, but the way you posted the whole story with all caps and emotion you brought into it turned me off.

Starting a thead title with "HELP" in caps is a huge read flag that OP is a nOOn and doesn't know what he's talking about.

I personally think you do what you are talking about, but you are just not presenting yourself  in a professional matter rather like someone asking compensation for having to sit next to a crying baby, which most people aren'tinterested in hearing.
FTFY. Everyone here knows that I was not born today. Everyone here knows that when I open threads I am not posting in caps. I was in a lost situation and I was in a fight with the clock because I wanted to get this fixes before check-in closes and I was not going to change it all to non caps.  Sorry if that bothered you though.


I personally think you do what you are talking about,.
Thank you  :)

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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #102 on: January 28, 2016, 12:46:49 AM »


Yes and yes, Meir613 gave a rant when I repeated my self last time so i will not repeat it again,  ;) but check back in the thread. I sent over documentation of all the tickets to a member in this thread.

Can you send it to me as well?


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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #103 on: January 28, 2016, 12:56:49 AM »

Can you send it to me as well?
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Re: HELP ELAL DENIES BOARDING FOR NO REASON
« Reply #104 on: January 28, 2016, 01:16:12 AM »
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Hi I just spoke to ronnie, He has a copy of the ticket. UA did not revalidate the ticket in F class, he was on the phone with nyc city office and it was confrimed by them that it was not revlated in F class

Ronnei told someone two days ago that he will show him a copy of the ticket showing that the pax was not ticketed in F. We are still waiting.

Oh, and Ronnei, I also know that you can edit anything in GDS anytime and just take a screenshot. Remember we are not idiots. We  will need solid documents. Don't try selling the public the same crap you sold me over the phone. Unless you wanna look like Her. Thanks.

If you had prepared to show for the podium the attachment below where it says Y, please note that I already did that. Manually.
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