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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #260 on: January 28, 2016, 12:46:42 PM »
Really? I never understood that he will get into "a" school maybe he doesn't want the school that allows Internet... He is a normal frum person who went to work after a few years he deserves better
There is a wide range of schools which don't allow internet and a very small range of ones which do (if any)
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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #261 on: January 28, 2016, 12:48:34 PM »
I said he'll get into a school. Maybe not his choice of school. But the funny thing is, the reason why it's his choice of school is because the admin is selective.

Of course they will get into a school. I'm sure they can get into public school, too. This family could be perfect Bnei Torah but just because the father is working, his kids have to go to a school with a modern crowd where they don't fit?

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #262 on: January 28, 2016, 12:49:00 PM »
There is a wide range of schools which don't allow internet and a very small range of ones which do (if any)
Oh stop arguing on the wording I put ... And was just using internet as an extreme example you know exactly what I meant

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #263 on: January 28, 2016, 12:49:27 PM »
Of course they will get into a school. I'm sure they can get into public school, too. This family could be perfect Bnei Torah but just because the father is working, his kids have to go to a school with a modern crowd where they don't fit?
+1 my point exactly

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #264 on: January 28, 2016, 12:53:09 PM »
Bottom Line:

If, as I am sure a number of schools in Lakewood believe (especially the far right) that he was wrong for what he said, and that it was a Chillul Hashem and that it was mivaze a big city and that it was a sin, and that he was misinformed etc. then the logical next step is this. Don't accept his money. He dropped 1.5 million. Will anyone return it? Has not happened yet.

Perhaps this is why the backlash was muted. Because there is a vested interest. It was a classic move on his part, but bottom line when the dust settles. If it was so bad, don't take his money and give back what you took. Why wont that happen?

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #265 on: January 28, 2016, 12:54:42 PM »
Watch the video he was talking about everybody. He now realizes that he made a fool out of himself making immature generalizations.

In a normal setting, people understand that when you talk about 50000 people you cannot mean everyone, what do you know about everyone? It's a way of emphasizing a widespread feeling. It's just that Lakewood people felt under attack and jumped screaming "what do you mean everyone?"

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #266 on: January 28, 2016, 12:55:08 PM »
There are plenty of schools which will will take children of working parents including many of the more yeshivishe ones and everyone knows it.
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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #267 on: January 28, 2016, 12:55:54 PM »
Bottom Line:

If, as I am sure a number of schools in Lakewood believe (especially the far right) that he was wrong for what he said, and that it was a Chillul Hashem and that it was mivaze a big city and that it was a sin, and that he was misinformed etc. then the logical next step is this. Don't accept his money. He dropped 1.5 million. Will anyone return it? Has not happened yet.

Perhaps this is why the backlash was muted. Because there is a vested interest. It was a classic move on his part, but bottom line when the dust settles. If it was so bad, don't take his money and give back what you took. Why wont that happen?


Why should disagreeing with him strongly mean that you can't accept his money?
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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #268 on: January 28, 2016, 12:56:51 PM »
Why wont that happen?
Because it never happens. Money always trumps values.

 Now that he wrote a letter of apology, I don't see why they should return the money.

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #269 on: January 28, 2016, 12:57:26 PM »
Because it never happens. Money always trumps values.

 Now that he wrote a letter of apology, I don't see why they should return the money.
And if he didn't they should?

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #270 on: January 28, 2016, 12:58:06 PM »

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #272 on: January 28, 2016, 01:02:12 PM »
Why should disagreeing with him strongly mean that you can't accept his money?
Of course they should. If, according to them, it was a major chillul Hashem, then taking money (especially that came from that event)
is clearly the wrong thing to do. I would love to hear your logic on this one. According to them, he is using his money to say things that are sinful. Dont take that money. Very obvious if you are not involved. 
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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #273 on: January 28, 2016, 01:05:23 PM »
There are plenty of schools which will will take children of working parents including many of the more yeshivishe ones and everyone knows it.

Yet *some* parents will be deemed unfit for superficial reasons and will be forced into inappropriate schools. Denying it happens just means you are not aware of the issue.

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #274 on: January 28, 2016, 01:06:02 PM »
$1.5mm went to one institution, not to every yeshiva in Lakewood.

What money do you want them to return?
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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #275 on: January 28, 2016, 01:07:22 PM »
IMHO If Rechnitz (or anyone else) donated $100mm towards solving this issue it would be gone.
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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #276 on: January 28, 2016, 01:09:52 PM »
IMHO If Rechnitz (or anyone else) donated $100mm towards solving this issue it would be gone.
$1.5mm went to one institution, not to every yeshiva in Lakewood.

What money do you want them to return?
What's with the 2 ms? "$100mm" "$1.5mm"

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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #277 on: January 28, 2016, 01:15:59 PM »
http://matzav.com/exclusive-shlomo-yehuda-rechnitz-donates-1-5-million-to-lakewood-mosdos

1.5 million to Lakewood mosdos. Clearly more than one school. Seems like a whole bunch
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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #278 on: January 28, 2016, 01:21:13 PM »
In his beautiful letter asking for michila he sums up the main point he was hammering at.


Let me be clear: I put most of the blame on the elitists. An elitist is someone who calls a mosad and holds it hostage, forcing their will and desires, while clearly harming other children. They are generally of the belief that they are superior or frummer than everyone else. They put themselves on a pedestal and insist on their way or the highway. Instead of viewing other kids as the Aibishter‘s children, they view every child as a potential threat to their child’s reputation. This happens every year at nearly every mosad. I can understand a parent wanting a school where all the children come from homes without internet, televisions or other negative influences, but if you don’t want your child in a class that has children whose fathers work to provide parnassah for their family, then you are an elitist. The working father can be ehrlich, koveia ittim, and have all the right hashkafos, but that’s not good enough for you, because you consider yourself on a much higher madreigah.

The one point where I should’ve been clearer is that the vast majority of Lakewood are not elitists. They are humble bnei Torah whose zechusim we rely on to exist. But as in every religion and every culture, the extremists and the most vocal carry the show. While the elitists are the mi’uta d’miuta, they’ll cause 90% of the problem. In my opinion, it’s incumbent on all of us, as the silent majority, to speak up and not tolerate these attitudes that are the impetus and perpetuation of the problem.
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Re: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech
« Reply #279 on: January 28, 2016, 01:26:27 PM »
http://matzav.com/exclusive-shlomo-yehuda-rechnitz-donates-1-5-million-to-lakewood-mosdos

1.5 million to Lakewood mosdos. Clearly more than one school. Seems like a whole bunch
It means to the various schools under R' Kanarek, which is who the event he was attending was for.