Author Topic: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech (Read 81258 times)

palm tights · « **Reply #360 on:** January 28, 2016, 11:10:47 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on January 28, 2016, 07:49:15 AM

What would rechnitz say?

Explain your question please,
Thanks

elit · « **Reply #361 on:** January 28, 2016, 11:17:41 PM »

I can't "opine" on this debate bc I don't know anything about the situation but right or wrong proper or improper he sure knows how to deliver a message

churnbabychurn · « **Reply #362 on:** January 28, 2016, 11:26:53 PM »

Quote from: palm tights on January 28, 2016, 11:10:47 PM

Explain your question please,
Thanks

Are they elitists, for excluding some of gds children, or just legitimately protective over their beliefs ?

lebulose · « **Reply #363 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:08:59 AM »

Seems lots of you missed his point. He was not addressing the inefficiencies of the school's logistics or administrative policies. Rather, He was addressing the neglect of the core value upon which these schools policies were based. Unlike, say, an Isreali girl's high school, an institution whose mission statement claims to base itself on an ethical code, in our case Torah, has a fundamental, ethical duty to adhere to its basic principles. If the way of the Torah sais to never turn away even one child, yet your Torah representing institution turns away children, regardless of logistical excuses, something is very wrong with your institution. You are betraying your own stated values.

so if a Torah promising school finds that it lacks the resources to accommodate its own values, it has a duty to reassess and take a critical look at its failure.

An institution of Torah is not an institution of, say, Liberal Arts.

aygart · « **Reply #364 on:** January 29, 2016, 10:11:37 AM »

Quote from: lebulose on January 29, 2016, 04:08:59 AM

Seems lots of you missed his point. He was not addressing the inefficiencies of the school's logistics or administrative policies. Rather, He was addressing the neglect of the core value upon which these schools policies were based. Unlike, say, an Isreali girl's high school, an institution whose mission statement claims to base itself on an ethical code, in our case Torah, has a fundamental, ethical duty to adhere to its basic principles. If the way of the Torah sais to never turn away even one child, yet your Torah representing institution turns away children, regardless of logistical excuses, something is very wrong with your institution. You are betraying your own stated values.

so if a Torah promising school finds that it lacks the resources to accommodate its own values, it has a duty to reassess and take a critical look at its failure.

An institution of Torah is not an institution of, say, Liberal Arts.

1. How does that differ from an Israeli girls HS?
2. What if there are conflicts between different aspects of the ethical code?

joe1234 · « **Reply #365 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:19:21 PM »

where can i find exactly what swr said by his speech?

David Smith · « **Reply #366 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:33:51 PM »

Quote from: joe1234 on January 29, 2016, 01:19:21 PM

where can i find exactly what swr said by his speech?

Listen to it. It's all over the place.

yochiek93 · « **Reply #367 on:** January 29, 2016, 02:12:39 PM »

Quote from: joe1234 on January 29, 2016, 01:19:21 PM

where can i find exactly what swr said by his speech?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2_QuIJVWak

Hershelsdeals · « **Reply #368 on:** January 29, 2016, 02:17:49 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on January 28, 2016, 11:26:53 PM

Are they elitists, for excluding some of gds children, or just legitimately protective over their beliefs ?

What does that have to do with Rechnitz?

And No, There is nothing " Elitist" about that, and has nothing to do with lakewood, that's their Halachic tradition.

akivak · « **Reply #369 on:** January 29, 2016, 02:25:52 PM »

Rechnitz gave a beautiful hesped for his shver today

palm tights · « **Reply #370 on:** January 29, 2016, 03:53:50 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on January 28, 2016, 11:26:53 PM

Are they elitists, for excluding some of gds children, or just legitimately protective over their beliefs ?

Its there private school and they have guide lines , lehavdil the public schools also have guide lines ,

ya · « **Reply #371 on:** January 29, 2016, 03:55:57 PM »

Quote from: palm tights on January 29, 2016, 03:53:50 PM

Its there private school and they have guide lines , lehavdil the public schools also have guide lines ,

What are the guidelines? Let's hear.

That's not the case they just pick and choose without any guidance or guidelines

meme · « **Reply #372 on:** January 30, 2016, 07:10:17 PM »

Quote from: akivak on January 29, 2016, 02:25:52 PM

Rechnitz gave a beautiful hesped for his shver today

Can I hear/watch it anywhere?

akivak · « **Reply #373 on:** January 30, 2016, 07:12:29 PM »

Quote from: meme on January 30, 2016, 07:10:17 PM

Can I hear/watch it anywhere?

Should go around later this week

yochiek93 · « **Reply #374 on:** January 30, 2016, 07:33:30 PM »

Quote from: meme on January 30, 2016, 07:10:17 PM

Can I hear/watch it anywhere?

It's on YouTube

gozalim · « **Reply #375 on:** January 31, 2016, 02:46:12 AM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on January 28, 2016, 07:49:15 AM

What would rechnitz say?

Without getting into any of the rest of the discussion, I'd point out the following distinction. There's a big difference between:

a) a school having a stated, public, enforced policy of only accepting Shomer Shabbos/No Internet/Kli Kodesh/Green socks/Belze Levush etc. others (working parents, purple socks) need not apply, as the school is maintaining a specific standard.

b) a school which 'on paper' accepts anyone 'with the proper hashkafos' and will take 20% working parents, but at-whim will give someone a runaround, or because a portion of the parent body feels a 'divorce child' is too nebish to share a class with their own princess can place pressure on the administration etc. etc.

One case is provides clear guidelines, and any parent is welcome to dress properly for the hour of registration, or not give themselves heartache barking up the wrong tree. The other is much more open to personal whims and 'elitism' and potential abuse, as well as making the rejection more personal.

Not saying one or the other is right or wrong, but the comparison isn't there.

yochiek93 · « **Reply #376 on:** January 31, 2016, 03:15:20 AM »

Quote from: gozalim on January 31, 2016, 02:46:12 AM

Without getting into any of the rest of the discussion, I'd point out the following distinction. There's a big difference between:

a) a school having a stated, public, enforced policy of only accepting Shomer Shabbos/No Internet/Kli Kodesh/Green socks/Belze Levush etc. others (working parents, purple socks) need not apply, as the school is maintaining a specific standard.

b) a school which 'on paper' accepts anyone 'with the proper hashkafos' and will take 20% working parents, but at-whim will give someone a runaround, or because a portion of the parent body feels a 'divorce child' is too nebish to share a class with their own princess can place pressure on the administration etc. etc.

One case is provides clear guidelines, and any parent is welcome to dress properly for the hour of registration, or not give themselves heartache barking up the wrong tree. The other is much more open to personal whims and 'elitism' and potential abuse, as well as making the rejection more personal.

Not saying one or the other is right or wrong, but the comparison isn't there.

Well said

YitzyS · « **Reply #377 on:** January 31, 2016, 05:28:22 AM »

I have a major Kasha on this past week's Parsha: Yisro showed up from out of town with an idea and asked the Godol Hador about it, who in turn sought out Hashem's approval. Why in the world didn't Yisro just stand up in front of Klal Yiroel and just preach them his idea? (I'm kidding overall but there is a lesson to learn IMO.)

george · « **Reply #378 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:33:25 AM »

Quote from: YitzyS on January 31, 2016, 05:28:22 AM

I have a major Kasha on this past week's Parsha: Yisro showed up from out of town with an idea and asked the Godol Hador about it, who in turn sought out Hashem's approval. Why in the world didn't Yisro just stand up in front of Klal Yiroel and just preach them his idea? (I'm kidding overall but there is a lesson to learn IMO.)

SYR didn't come with an idea.

yochiek93 · « **Reply #379 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:39:32 AM »

Quote from: YitzyS on January 31, 2016, 05:28:22 AM

I have a major Kasha on this past week's Parsha: Yisro showed up from out of town with an idea and asked the Godol Hador about it, who in turn sought out Hashem's approval. Why in the world didn't Yisro just stand up in front of Klal Yiroel and just preach them his idea? (I'm kidding overall but there is a lesson to learn IMO.)

Really!