Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech

[Denverite]

The same Lubavitch Rebbe begged for TVs tossed out of all yidishe homes.

He also wanted out all toys and books containing Tamei animals, in the name of sforim and mikubalim concerned for even the fetus inside a pregnant mother's eye's exposure to non-tahor animal forms.

The special case of his authorized representatives cannot be representative of his approach to secular exposure because those individual parents were carefully handpicked and the Rebbe himself looked after the chinuch of these families. My father for example was born and raised on shlichus in Norh Africa durring the 50's endurred third-world schooling conditions, but the rebbe personally followed his learning progress and regularly made modifications to his studies via written correspondence all the way through his yeshiva years in Paris and beyond, eventually placing him in a position among his own editorial staff. That was the kind of personal interest the Rebbe took looking after the chinuch of families he placed out there. Therefore, such a unique chinuch situation cannot be used to infer, generalize, and then claim his "derech" was to un-shelter. That's simply not true.

All true, but my kids are in an out-of-town school with all the Yeshivish Kollel families AND the Chabad Shluchim's kids and would never get into a school in Lakewood (I obviously have internet that I'm posting from right now...LOL) and although the parents in Limudei Kodesh obviously do really monitor their kids and the progress of their chinuch because they want them to go in their family's derech, everyone works very hard to try to get along in a way that just doesn't happen in bigger cities and honestly I think the kids are sweeter and MORE innocent than the in-town kids I meet that supposedly don't get exposed to these "bad elements" in their more homogeneous schools in NY and NJ!

[hocker]

The only problem is that he clearly said that the whole Lakewood is rampant with elitism, and that "nobody ever cuts anyone any slack" etc.

Which is true. Every yungerman 10th grade Mesivta boy has a deiah about every Adom Gadol, Gevir, Baale Bus and every Chinuch personality.

[Baruch]

Which is true. Every yungerman 10th grade Mesivta boy has a deiah about every Adom Gadol, Gevir, Baale Bus and every Chinuch personality.

And you sir, are extremely immature. And so is anyone who talks about "every" anything. Generalizing is immature.
At least you didn't pull your pants down in front of 80k+ Youtubers.

[ya]

And you sir, are extremely immature. And so is anyone who talks about "every" anything. Generalizing is immature.
At least you didn't pull your pants down in front of 80k+ Youtubers.

When most Ppl say everyone they mean most. Which is the case here.

[Baruch]

When most Ppl everyone says everyone they mean most. Which is the case here.

FTFY 

Even saying that about most is small minded

[YitzyS]

The smart-sounding way to say it would be: "statistics show that 92% of Lakewood residents show signs of bias, elitism, or immaturaty." or something like that.

[Baruch]

The smart-sounding way to say it would be: "statistics show that 92% of Lakewood residents show signs of bias, elitism, or immaturaty." or something like that.

The Yetzer Hara is alive and well. Bad middos exists in all communities.

[ya]

The Yetzer Hara is alive and well. Bad middos exists in all communities.

True but this conversation is about Lakewood.

[hocker]

And you sir, are extremely immature. And so is anyone who talks about "every" anything. Generalizing is immature.
At least you didn't pull your pants down in front of 80k+ Youtubers.

IYO SYR is immature too?

[Baruch]

IYO SYR is immature too?

I don't think he's immature. His exaggerated painting everybody with one brush was very immature at that speech.

Like I tell my kids,"you're so good, How can you do such a bad thing?".

I honestly feel the same way about R' SYR's speech.

[Aaaron]

Everybody generalizes.  See what I did there? 

Not sure why it's surprising the SYR would too, or why people are harping on it. 

[Freddie]

I waited a few days before weighing in on this.

I don't want to invoke the ghost of Chaim Moskowitz on this forum, but I think my point is best made asking a few rhetorical questions.

1. Does everybody here understand what oratory is and how the goals of oratory can actually differ from the goals of even the subjects that the orator is orating about?

2. Here is someone who is a huge success in two areas: business and philanthropy. Did he achieve either with oratory?

After answering these questions please consider the fact that oratory is an art form that may or may not resemble real life. Not all public speaking is oratory per se just like not all singing is opera.

I hope this sheds light.

[Baruch]

Everybody generalizes.  See what I did there? 

Not sure why it's surprising the SYR would too, or why people are harping on it.

You don't generalize negatively about thousands of people when you speak directly to them.

[ya]

You don't generalize negatively about thousands of people when you speak directly to them.

Stop crying. Get over it and try to help fix the issue at hand.

[Dawie]

Stop crying. Get over it and try to help fix the issue at hand.

much easier to shoot the messenger

[ya]

much easier to shoot the messenger

Exactly. Everyone here seems to be saying what SYR was wrong etc and who are you to tell him it was wrong? Who cares if it was right or wrong. It was already said. Just try and help fix the issue.

[aygart]

Exactly. Everyone here seems to be saying what SYR was wrong etc and who are you to tell him it was wrong? Who cares if it was right or wrong. It was already said. Just try and help fix the issue.

In order to fix the issue you need to first know EXACTLY what the REAL issue is. It seems to be the opinion of many here that while his point may be a contributing factor it is not the primary issue in most but not all cases. The issue is much more complex than he is making it.

[ya]

In order to fix the issue you need to first know EXACTLY what the REAL issue is. It seems to be the opinion of many here that while his point may be a contributing factor it is not the primary issue in most but not all cases. The issue is much more complex than he is making it.

Could be could be not. but why is everyone discussing how what he said was wrong? He brought up a major issue. Some of his details may be off but that doesnt change anything.

[Baruch]

Could be could be not. but why is everyone discussing how what he said was wrong? He brought up a major issue. Some of his details may be off but that doesnt change anything.

If people would stop defending what he said no one would discuss it anymore.
Even he apologized for what he said.

The conversation about if what he said is wrong or right was continued by an op-ed defending what he said.

The issue at hand will not be solved by a discussion on DDF either way...

This is Just Shmooze, and that's what we're doing.

[yochiek93]

If people would stop defending what he said no one would discuss it anymore.
Even he apologized for what he said.

And if people would stop criticizing and crying about what he said no one would discuss it either
You think he takes back what he says
IMO he just didn't want this crap
End rant.