Author Topic: Rechnitz's Lakewood Speech (Read 80858 times)

churnbabychurn · « **Reply #320 on:** January 28, 2016, 02:45:52 PM »

Quote from: Shkop on January 28, 2016, 02:40:33 PM

why am i excited? Because I wrote teyuvta....if so I am sorry.
Although I see plenty of heated debate on a million of topics on ddf. I am far from the most vocal

Relax.

I didnt opine on whether or not one should take the money pre appology.

I said that post appology you can take it if no strings attached.
Assuming you accept his public appology as sincere and complete.
Do you agree?

ya · « **Reply #321 on:** January 28, 2016, 02:53:55 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on January 28, 2016, 02:45:52 PM

Relax.

I didnt opine on whether or not one should take the money pre appology.

I said that post appology you can take it if no strings attached.
Assuming you accept his public appology as sincere and complete.
Do you agree?

What are you guys even talking about here? Do you think for a second that if you did not apologies they would have returned the money?

churnbabychurn · « **Reply #322 on:** January 28, 2016, 02:58:07 PM »

Quote from: ya on January 28, 2016, 02:53:55 PM

What are you guys even talking about here? Do you think for a second that if you did not apologies they would have returned the money?

Lol of course not.

Shkop · « **Reply #323 on:** January 28, 2016, 02:58:52 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on January 28, 2016, 02:45:52 PM

Relax.

I didnt opine on whether or not one should take the money pre appology.

I said that post appology you can take it if no strings attached.
Assuming you accept his public appology as sincere and complete.
Do you agree?

B'kavod No. Because I am talking from the schools perspective. I am not opining whether or not there was any chilul Hashem (plenty here including yourself clearly think it was). So according to you, if it was a massive chillul Hashem, then its even worse if they take the money. It's so simple. It demonstrates that money is more important than Torah. Do you agree?

Now, once an apology was issued, perhaps there is some wiggle room (perhaps not), but why did not one school say they are not taking before he apologized? And why did at least one school not say, that UNLESS he apologizes they wont take. Why did no one make that public? And, if you say that post apology everything is fine and dandy (which by the way seems a bit too easy going in the case of a massive chillul Hashem) then you must agree that any school that holds that he missed the boat and made a chillul Hashem was wrong for holding on to the money. Do you agree? Why not? (and sorry if I am too harsh, folks dont like that. Only a "right wing" svarah can be harsh not a "left wing" svarah).

Shkop · « **Reply #324 on:** January 28, 2016, 02:59:40 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on January 28, 2016, 02:58:07 PM

Lol of course not.

bing bing bing . it wont stop buzzing

churnbabychurn · « **Reply #325 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:00:06 PM »

Well Perlstein said a very loud no thanx..

meme · « **Reply #326 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:00:44 PM »

Still waiting for somebody to pm me about starting girls HS lol

ya · « **Reply #327 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:04:36 PM »

Quote from: Shkop on January 28, 2016, 02:58:52 PM

B'kavod No. Because I am talking from the schools perspective. I am not opining whether or not there was any chilul Hashem (plenty here including yourself clearly think it was). So according to you, if it was a massive chillul Hashem, then its even worse if they take the money. It's so simple. It demonstrates that money is more important than Torah. Do you agree?

Now, once an apology was issued, perhaps there is some wiggle room (perhaps not), but why did not one school say they are not taking before he apologized? And why did at least one school not say, that UNLESS he apologizes they wont take. Why did no one make that public? And, if you say that post apology everything is fine and dandy (which by the way seems a bit too easy going in the case of a massive chillul Hashem) then you must agree that any school that holds that he missed the boat and made a chillul Hashem was wrong for holding on to the money. Do you agree? Why not? (and sorry if I am too harsh, folks dont like that. Only a "right wing" svarah can be harsh not a "left wing" svarah).

maybe because lkwd schools are not run with true Daas Torah?

and thats the whole issue!

snagger · « **Reply #328 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:04:57 PM »

Quote from: meme on January 28, 2016, 03:00:44 PM

Still waiting for somebody to pm me about starting girls HS lol

what type do you want to open? One that takes everybody? Nobody? Or somewhere in between?

ya · « **Reply #329 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:06:24 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on January 28, 2016, 03:00:06 PM

Well Perlstein said a very loud no thanx..

lol he was never offered. Let see how fast he would say no to 1.5m if he was offered even now after the letter he wrote. Please he would have all kinds of reasons.

snagger · « **Reply #330 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:06:32 PM »

Quote from: ya on January 28, 2016, 03:04:36 PM

maybe because lkwd schools are not run with true Daas Torah? and thats the whole issue!

just by the way, most schools have a vaad hachinuch that they consult with.. The people that they consult with have a lot more dass torah than the richest guy on the planet

ya · « **Reply #331 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:08:34 PM »

Quote from: snagger on January 28, 2016, 03:06:32 PM

just by the way, most schools have a vaad hachinuch that they consult with.. The people that they consult with have a lot more dass torah than the richest guy on the planet

consult with on what? on who to accept?

meme · « **Reply #332 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:09:27 PM »

Quote from: snagger on January 28, 2016, 03:04:57 PM

what type do you want to open? One that takes everybody? Nobody? Or somewhere in between?

We are already full

ya · « **Reply #333 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:11:35 PM »

Quote from: meme on January 28, 2016, 03:09:27 PM

We are already full

now everyone is going to come running and try to get in. Because no one can get in.

meme · « **Reply #334 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:12:26 PM »

Quote from: ya on January 28, 2016, 03:11:35 PM

now everyone is going to come running and try to get in. Because no one can get in.

That's exactly what I meant

yuneeq · « **Reply #335 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:17:35 PM »

I personally know of 2 failing schools that weren't successful recruiting students until they stopped accepting everyone.

The schools have doubled in a just a few years since then.

Of course, they actually accepted way more students than they ever had - giving people a hard time getting admitted into school gives parents the impression that this place is in demand.

(Before you go nuts, both schools were in Brooklyn.)

meme · « **Reply #336 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:20:06 PM »

It's just human psychology, like that with everything in life, just unfortunately some ppl get very hurt on the way

churnbabychurn · « **Reply #337 on:** January 28, 2016, 03:27:24 PM »

Quote from: snagger on January 28, 2016, 03:06:32 PM

just by the way, most schools have a vaad hachinuch that they consult with.. The people that they consult with have a lot more dass torah than the richest guy on the planet

Shockingly though, there are a few Lakewood mosdos who do not have a vaad hachinuch or an official rov or rosh yeshiva that they seek guidance by.

When I interviewed Roshei mosdos before sending my kids, first question I asked was who do you ask when you have a sheila. - if the guy punted on this question he lost the deal.

ya · « **Reply #338 on:** January 28, 2016, 04:14:09 PM »

Quote from: meme on January 28, 2016, 03:20:06 PM

It's just human psychology, like that with everything in life, just unfortunately some ppl get very hurt on the way

If ppl lifes get ruined by this then it needs to change. You cannt just say human psychology and call it a day.

ya · « **Reply #339 on:** January 28, 2016, 04:15:52 PM »

how hard is it to get into Kanarek places? Does he play these games?