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Approximate Points and Miles valuations when selling to a broker*
Numbers in parentheses are (more) desirable account sizes.


Edit and add accordingly, but all edits *must* be based off of factual transactions that took place in the last 60 days.

Credit card, (unit), and transferable points:

SPG (SPG)             -1.8-2.1
Chase CLEAN [UP TO 200K](UR)           - 1.3
Chase UR-UR              -1.25
Diners Club (CR)   - 1.5
Amex (MR)            - 1.35
Amex (MR) BP 50% - 1.6-1.7
Amex (MR) BP 35% - ??
Citi (TY)                 - 1.2 small / Big 1.4
WF                        -1.51
Airline miles:

A3 - 1.6 (30,45,60)
AS - 2    (90
AS - 1.5 (50, 70, 75 100)
FB - 1.35 (125k)
LH - 1.4 - 1.6   (17, 52/55, 85
UA - 1.3-1.45    (12.5k, 25k, 30k, 50k, 57.5k, 60k, 70k, 80k, 110k
SQ - 1.2    (37.5, 57.5, 68, 75
AA - 1.2 small accounts 55, 62.5, 67.5 ect.
AA - 1.3    (110, 120
AC - 1.2
DL - 1.1
WN - 1.05
VS - ??
VX - 1.6-1.65
B6 - 1
BA - 1.05
HA - 0.6
QF: 1.35-1.45
NH/ANA - ?.?     (136
Hotel points:
(Status may increase the value)
SPG - 1.8-2.1 (20k increments are best)
Hyatt - 1.2-1.3
Wyndham - 0.7
Choice - 0.6
Marriott - 0.55-.7
IHG - 0.3
Hilton - 0.4
Club Carlson - 0.3

Airline And Travel Related Acronyms
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=13317.0

*These valuations assume the account has between 50k and 150k miles/points.

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« Last edited by Miller96 on January 22, 2023, 04:43:25 PM »

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3220 on: January 18, 2022, 08:59:12 PM »
Can the Amex Biz Plat be converted to Schwab or a new card needs to be opened?
Schwab is a personal card
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3221 on: January 19, 2022, 03:25:16 AM »
Rate to buy 305k delta or a little less?

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3222 on: January 19, 2022, 11:56:43 AM »
brokers pay 1 cent pp for Amex.
I guess the reason is because not everyone has a Schwab or BP
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when Schwab was 1.25, the selling rate was still less than that

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3223 on: January 19, 2022, 09:37:34 PM »
How much for buying 150k Hyatt and 100k Marriott

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« Reply #3224 on: January 20, 2022, 05:00:59 PM »
+1
when Schwab was 1.25, the selling rate was still less than that
When? I don’t remember it being below 1.25.
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3225 on: January 21, 2022, 01:15:50 AM »
When? I don’t remember it being below 1.25.
Since Covid began, +/-

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3226 on: January 23, 2022, 04:06:11 PM »
what would the rate be to buy 60k Hyatt?

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3227 on: January 27, 2022, 08:42:52 AM »
brokers pay 1 cent pp for Amex.
I guess the reason is because not everyone has a Schwab or BP
I don’t get it. Anyone with a business platinum can simply book a business class fare with points, get 35% in points credited back, cancel the flight for a credit, and sell on the other thread for 80-85% of face value for an effective rate of 1.25+. Why would anyone sell for 1 or 1.1?

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3228 on: January 27, 2022, 09:30:57 AM »
I don’t get it. Anyone with a business platinum can simply book a business class fare with points, get 35% in points credited back, cancel the flight for a credit, and sell on the other thread for 80-85% of face value for an effective rate of 1.25+. Why would anyone sell for 1 or 1.1?
Not everyone wants to get shut down by Amex!

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3229 on: January 27, 2022, 10:26:27 AM »
Not everyone wants to get shut down by Amex!
? Nothing against amex in that comment (maybe the airline)

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3230 on: January 27, 2022, 12:04:10 PM »
I mistakenly transferred 20k Amex to BA instead of Aeroplan. Any way to have it returned?
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3231 on: January 27, 2022, 04:36:21 PM »
I don’t get it. Anyone with a business platinum can simply book a business class fare with points, get 35% in points credited back, cancel the flight for a credit, and sell on the other thread for 80-85% of face value for an effective rate of 1.25+. Why would anyone sell for 1 or 1.1?

Not everyone is unethical.

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3232 on: January 27, 2022, 04:54:30 PM »
Not everyone is unethical.
selling points is ethical?

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3233 on: January 27, 2022, 05:07:00 PM »
Not everyone is unethical.
Probably more ethical than selling points.

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3234 on: January 27, 2022, 06:02:04 PM »
selling points is ethical?

So your point is that once you go down the unethical route of selling points any and every unethical practice should be done? There are many shades and degrees. Surprising that someone would advocate openly to buy things intending to return it and use the points generated. That's pretty close to stealing IMO.

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3235 on: January 27, 2022, 06:30:33 PM »
So your point is that once you go down the unethical route of selling points any and every unethical practice should be done? There are many shades and degrees. Surprising that someone would advocate openly to buy things intending to return it and use the points generated. That's pretty close to stealing IMO.
I was just asking a question. You are the one who brought ethics into the discussion

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3236 on: January 27, 2022, 08:08:36 PM »
So your point is that once you go down the unethical route of selling points any and every unethical practice should be done? There are many shades and degrees. Surprising that someone would advocate openly to buy things intending to return it and use the points generated. That's pretty close to stealing IMO.
Not even close. Essentially the end result is you are using your points to purchase travel on said airline for someone else and get the 35% points rebated, which is a perfectly legitimate use of Amex points. Its just far easier to do it through the steps outlined above.

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3237 on: January 27, 2022, 08:47:31 PM »
whats the going rate for chase UR sapphire?

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« Reply #3238 on: January 27, 2022, 11:24:10 PM »
So your point is that once you go down the unethical route of selling points any and every unethical practice should be done? There are many shades and degrees. Surprising that someone would advocate openly to buy things intending to return it and use the points generated. That's pretty close to stealing IMO.
Huh? In this case you are actually not going against anyone’s T&C AFAIK (nor are you causing anyone a loss) as opposed to selling points where you are blatantly violating the rules they established.
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #3239 on: January 27, 2022, 11:59:57 PM »
Not even close. Essentially the end result is you are using your points to purchase travel on said airline for someone else and get the 35% points rebated, which is a perfectly legitimate use of Amex points. Its just far easier to do it through the steps outlined above.
Other than that they would shut you down if they caught you and being very explicitly against the terms it is perfectly legit.
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