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Approximate Points and Miles valuations when selling to a broker*
Numbers in parentheses are (more) desirable account sizes.


Edit and add accordingly, but all edits *must* be based off of factual transactions that took place in the last 60 days.

Credit card, (unit), and transferable points:

SPG (SPG)             -1.8-2.1
Chase CLEAN [UP TO 200K](UR)           - 1.3
Chase UR-UR              -1.25
Diners Club (CR)   - 1.5
Amex (MR)            - 1.35
Amex (MR) BP 50% - 1.6-1.7
Amex (MR) BP 35% - ??
Citi (TY)                 - 1.2 small / Big 1.4
WF                        -1.51
Airline miles:

A3 - 1.6 (30,45,60)
AS - 2    (90
AS - 1.5 (50, 70, 75 100)
FB - 1.35 (125k)
LH - 1.4 - 1.6   (17, 52/55, 85
UA - 1.3-1.45    (12.5k, 25k, 30k, 50k, 57.5k, 60k, 70k, 80k, 110k
SQ - 1.2    (37.5, 57.5, 68, 75
AA - 1.2 small accounts 55, 62.5, 67.5 ect.
AA - 1.3    (110, 120
AC - 1.2
DL - 1.1
WN - 1.05
VS - ??
VX - 1.6-1.65
B6 - 1
BA - 1.05
HA - 0.6
QF: 1.35-1.45
NH/ANA - ?.?     (136
Hotel points:
(Status may increase the value)
SPG - 1.8-2.1 (20k increments are best)
Hyatt - 1.2-1.3
Wyndham - 0.7
Choice - 0.6
Marriott - 0.55-.7
IHG - 0.3
Hilton - 0.4
Club Carlson - 0.3

Airline And Travel Related Acronyms
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=13317.0

*These valuations assume the account has between 50k and 150k miles/points.

FAQ's:
1. Q. On a scale from 1 to 10 how bored were you when you decided to make this list?
A. No comment. :P
« Last edited by Miller96 on January 22, 2023, 04:43:25 PM »

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #560 on: July 14, 2017, 09:05:47 AM »
The question is not what the purpose of the buyer was but if the seller understood that he was selling for long term access. apparently he was not in this case. Someone who is buying for stock and to have instant access for a long time should make sure that this is what is being sold to them.
As far as the buyer is concerned, he purchased the account and now he owns it. The sellers possible preconceived notions are not his problem to probe. If the seller has any stipulations, he should clarify them. Otherwise, the sale agreement hands over full usage of the points in the account to the buyer, to do with them as he pleases.
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #561 on: July 14, 2017, 09:13:02 AM »
As far as the buyer is concerned, he purchased the account and now he owns it. The sellers possible preconceived notions are not his problem to probe. If the seller has any stipulations, he should clarify them. Otherwise, the sale agreement hands over full usage of the points in the account to the buyer, to do with them as he pleases.
If he bought the account then you are correct. If he bought the points without the account then what right does he have to use the sellers account for storage without stipulating that in advance? If I buy a physical item from you i do not get the right to keep it on your property for as long as I choose why is this different?
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #562 on: July 14, 2017, 09:24:35 AM »
If he bought the account then you are correct. If he bought the points without the account then what right does he have to use the sellers account for storage without stipulating that in advance? If I buy a physical item from you i do not get the right to keep it on your property for as long as I choose why is this different?
If I buy a physical item from you and I don't tell you when I plan on taking delivery, yes, I can keep it by you.

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #563 on: July 14, 2017, 09:27:39 AM »
If I buy a physical item from you and I don't tell you when I plan on taking delivery, yes, I can keep it by you.
Unlimited and forever with an expectation of instant access? Source? My understanding is that the buyer must remove it as soon as reasonably possible.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2017, 09:37:49 AM by aygart »
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #564 on: July 14, 2017, 09:34:12 AM »
Unless otherwise specified, it's industry standard that there's an understanding that the account is for stock.
This does not mean unlimited time to use them.
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #565 on: July 14, 2017, 09:37:39 AM »
As far as the buyer is concerned, he purchased the account and now he owns it. The sellers possible preconceived notions are not his problem to probe. If the seller has any stipulations, he should clarify them. Otherwise, the sale agreement hands over full usage of the points in the account to the buyer, to do with them as he pleases.
Can he then resell the account and give access to another person?
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #566 on: July 14, 2017, 09:38:59 AM »
Can he then resell the account and give access to another person?

You have no idea who the broker sold the account to and who owns it now. When a person buys for stock instead of buying on demand, it's usually so that when they need, they'll have instant access. Being unable to login, and having to backtrack to the source of the account through various people who may not be available at the moment, is not called on demand access, and is not what was purchased.

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #567 on: July 14, 2017, 09:39:17 AM »
Can he then resell the account and give access to another person?
That is why they're called brokers.....
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #568 on: July 14, 2017, 09:46:24 AM »
That is why they're called brokers.....
This makes sense as long as the seller understands that he is selling to a broker and not a travel agent.
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #569 on: July 14, 2017, 09:52:03 AM »
That is why they're called brokers.....
Anyone can claim to be a broker, TA or whatever they call themselves. If I sell to you are you allowed to give my account info to another person?
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #570 on: July 14, 2017, 09:57:13 AM »
Anyone can claim to be a broker, TA or whatever they call themselves. If I sell to you are you allowed to give my account info to another person?
If you were not allowed to then there would be a lot less ppl buying points out there.

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« Reply #571 on: July 14, 2017, 09:58:05 AM »
Anyone can claim to be a broker, TA or whatever they call themselves. If I sell to you are you allowed to give my account info to another person?
If the seller is given the understanding then it is being bought by a broker then he should be allowed to act as one.
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #572 on: July 14, 2017, 10:00:13 AM »
If the seller is given the understanding then it is being bought by a broker then he should be allowed to act as one.
Does your stock broker give everyone access to your account?
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #573 on: July 14, 2017, 10:26:39 AM »
Anyone can claim to be a broker, TA or whatever they call themselves. If I sell to you are you allowed to give my account info to another person?
If you don't stipulate that before. Yes.

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #574 on: July 14, 2017, 10:32:07 AM »
If you don't stipulate that before. Yes.
I assume this is based on individuals you and DS deal with?
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #575 on: July 14, 2017, 10:34:01 AM »
I always tell the broker the amount I have and whenever he needs the points I give him access and then change the pass

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #576 on: July 14, 2017, 10:43:30 AM »
I assume this is based on individuals you and DS deal with?
I make it a habit to inform people selling to me if someone else will have access to the account.

Industry standard is that info will be passed along, the proof being that when no login info will be provided that's usually mentioned when posting what's for sale.

Additionally I'd venture to say you made sure to inform whoever you sold to pretty early in the transaction that you wouldn't be providing login info.

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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #577 on: July 14, 2017, 11:01:00 AM »
Does your stock broker give everyone access to your account?
Considering the practicalities of each industry that is an unfair analogy.
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #578 on: July 14, 2017, 11:06:31 AM »
Considering the practicalities of each industry that is an unfair analogy.
Translation: NO!!!  :)
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Re: Points/Miles Values NO BUYING/SELLING ALLOWED
« Reply #579 on: July 14, 2017, 11:07:30 AM »
Translation: NO!!!  :)
Correct but that this no does not have any bearing on a mileage broker.
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