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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2920 on: September 12, 2017, 03:49:29 PM »
So our defense against terrorists is to make them buy an airplane ticket?
That's not really an additional layer, as it's so easily circumvented. However, there is a shred of better security, just because there are less people in the area near the gate. So, true, the terrorist will have no issue circumventing this layer, but if C"V something were to happen, it would be easier to neutralize the terrorist when there are less people around.

Again, I agree with you that layer is totally meaningless. I'm just trying to understand it from their side.

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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2921 on: September 12, 2017, 03:57:58 PM »
That's not really an additional layer, as it's so easily circumvented. However, there is a shred of better security, just because there are less people in the area near the gate. So, true, the terrorist will have no issue circumventing this layer, but if C"V something were to happen, it would be easier to neutralize the terrorist when there are less people around.

Again, I agree with you that layer is totally meaningless. I'm just trying to understand it from their side.
I don't think that it is meaningless since the need for a ticket allows for more time to check names etc than the few seconds at an overloaded security line.
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2922 on: September 12, 2017, 04:08:24 PM »
I don't think that it is meaningless since the need for a ticket allows for more time to check names etc than the few seconds at an overloaded security line.
Huh? What do you think happens when you buy a ticket?
The system checks your credit card and your name against the current no-fly list and then issues the ticket.

You can walkup the counter and buy a ticket in the same time it takes to ask for a airside pass. Either way it checks the no-fly list and determines go or no-go.
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2923 on: September 12, 2017, 04:09:14 PM »
No system is a 100%. So if a system fails 1 out of 1000 how many failures will you have with another 1000 that don't need to be there? But wait they want to see the planes take off, boo-hoo!!!
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2924 on: September 12, 2017, 04:15:04 PM »
No system is a 100%. So if a system fails 1 out of 1000 how many failures will you have with another 1000 that don't need to be there? But wait they want to see the planes take off, boo-hoo!!!
So our defense against terrorists is to make them buy an airplane ticket?
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2925 on: September 12, 2017, 04:15:35 PM »
I'd be willing to bet that there are ways around the no fly list if you invest the money. It is possible to get a stolen or fake passport. If someone really wants to get into the terminal, they will.
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2926 on: September 12, 2017, 04:16:45 PM »
I'd be willing to bet that there are ways around the no fly list if you invest the money. It is possible to get a stolen or fake passport. If someone really wants to get into the terminal, they will.
That can be done the same with a ticket as without.
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2927 on: September 12, 2017, 04:18:05 PM »
It eliminates the needs to have TSA at each gate checking id's as you get on plane.

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« Reply #2928 on: September 12, 2017, 04:19:14 PM »
It eliminates the needs to have TSA at each gate checking id's as you get on plane.
TSA does random gate checking on perhaps 1 out of 500 flights.
What does this have to do with that program?
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2929 on: September 12, 2017, 04:19:36 PM »
That can be done the same with a ticket as without.
Exactly my point, it isn't any less secure because they don't have to buy a ticket. Honestly, I'm surprised more things don't happen in airports, it can't really be that hard to get past the TSA. Either the terrorists are just lazy, stupid, or incompetent, or there is some serious stuff going on behind the scenes to stop these things before they go into motion.
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2930 on: September 12, 2017, 04:21:59 PM »
Exactly my point, it isn't any less secure because they don't have to buy a ticket. Honestly, I'm surprised more things don't happen in airports, it can't really be that hard to get past the TSA. Either the terrorists are just lazy, stupid, or incompetent, or there is some serious stuff going on behind the scenes to stop these things before they go into motion.

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Besides, their main goal is fear, and for the past 16 years America has been too scared to let kids watch planes take off unless they have a ticket to fly. Mission accomplished I'd say.
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2931 on: September 12, 2017, 04:24:29 PM »
In TLV is a ticket required to go past security?
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« Reply #2932 on: September 12, 2017, 04:24:49 PM »
In TLV is a ticket required to go past security?
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2933 on: September 12, 2017, 04:25:23 PM »

I guess math wasn't your favorite subject in school?  :)
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2934 on: September 12, 2017, 04:25:31 PM »
In TLV is a ticket required to go past security?
Most countries, including TLV, require you to go past customs to get airside.
That doesn't exist in the US.
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« Reply #2935 on: September 12, 2017, 04:27:02 PM »
Most countries, including TLV, require you to go past customs to get airside.
That doesn't exist in the US.
How about for domestic?
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2936 on: September 12, 2017, 04:29:46 PM »
TSA does random gate checking on perhaps 1 out of 500 flights.
What does this have to do with that program?

They check you against list when you buy ticket. But them they need make sure person who bought ticket is person who boarded. 

So need check id. They do that at security. But if let unticketed through security, then Dan can buy ticket and henche can fly on it

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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2937 on: September 12, 2017, 04:36:55 PM »
They check you against list when you buy ticket. But them they need make sure person who bought ticket is person who boarded. 

So need check id. They do that at security. But if let unticketed through security, then Dan can buy ticket and henche can fly on it
You get an airside boarding pass in PIT that you show at security with your govt ID.
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2938 on: September 12, 2017, 04:37:07 PM »
How about for domestic?
Never flown domestic from TLV.
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Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
« Reply #2939 on: September 12, 2017, 04:38:39 PM »
You get an airside boarding pass in PIT that you show at security with your govt ID.
It needs to be arranged beforehand?
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