FBI Vs. Apple

[yakrot]

most ppl don't have that setting enabled

[12HRS]

my kid would delete my data every day...

[JoeyShmoe]

Right now there is no way for Apple to do it, the data in encrypted.  The government wants Apple to create a way to do it.  Once it exists, then whoever gets their hands on the code can do it.  Once it's written it's only a matter of time before malicious actors and governments (and both) exploit it...

The FBI wants a way to do it, not for Apple to do it. That's the way I understand it

[ShlockDoc]

The FBI wants a way to do it, not for Apple to do it. That's the way I understand it

I think the FBI wants Apple to create a way for the FBI to self service...

[ShlockDoc]

He's still saying he thinks it should be done.

I don't think he is.  He says that we should have a discussion about it.  But either way, he's just one opinion...

[Centro]

My first thought when this topic came up was that the FBI has in reality long gotten into his phone and gotten whatever they need from there. Only once they were done did they spark this topic in public and play a fight with apple, letting apple win. They want to lull the public into thinking that their phones are secure.

Exactly what I was thinking, and maybe people will now store their sensitive information on their iPhone believeing they're secured whole the FBI will have easy access to them.

PS I don't believe Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks.

[username]

General question:
If my employer owns my phone, does law enforcement need a warrant to get into it if they have the owner's permission?

In this case, the owner consents to the search.

[Work-for-ur-muny]

General question:
If my employer owns my phone, does law enforcement need a warrant to get into it if they have the owner's permission?

In this case, the owner consents to the search.

If you type a personal document on your employer's computer (with permission) can your employer give a third party permission to view that document?

[htg123]

Basically, it's OK for Apple and Google to do data mining and they have a very low social responsibility but a government agency who's job is to protect are not allowed to access data?

[JoeyShmoe]

Basically, it's OK for Apple and Google to do data mining and they have a very low social responsibility but a government agency who's job is to protect are not allowed to access data?

There's a very big difference between data mining, where the data isn't accessible to humans (at least not with a connection to you - they might see the data but they don't know who's it is) and when a human can see everything you did on the device.

[username]

If you type a personal document on your employer's computer (with permission) can your employer give a third party permission to view that document?

well, I'm sure that that has come up. and the answer is...
Paging Henche or any other counsel if she's still be in the kitchen...

[username]

Basically, it's OK for Apple and Google to do data mining and they have a very low social responsibility but a government agency who's job is to protect are not allowed to access data?

Ha! When i signed up fpr Google express on my phone, I had to input e v e r y t h i n g. As if they didnt know who my name address, phone, email etc. The only thing that they knew was my CC #. That I didnt need to enter!

[Buruch]

If the key to get in was already created, Apple should be forced to open the phone. If not, FBI shouldn't be able to force them to create one.

[an613]

If the key to get in was already created, Apple should be forced to open the phone. If not, FBI shouldn't be able to force them to create one.

FBI isn't forcing apple to create the key. There is no way to re-create the key.The fbi wants apple to create a new special version of iOS that will remove the safeguards that prevent the FBI from trying every key possible. Sounds like a minor detail but are fundamentally different things.

[Work-for-ur-muny]

Just wondering how they can create software to force into a phone they can't even access.

ETA: But I guess that

Apple with their infinite wisdom, resources and innovations cannot come up with a...

[an613]

Just wondering how they can create software to force into a phone they can't even access.

ETA: But I guess that

The "data" and the "software" are two separate things. Data is securely encrypted with a key that not even Apple knows. There is no way to decrypt the data without the key. Full stop. But only Apple can load new software bc the phone won't accept new software unless it's signed by Apple. The truth is that there are other ways to load software (i.e. Jailbbreaking) but the fbi is trying to make their lives easier by setting precedent

[ShlockDoc]

Basically, it's OK for Apple and Google to do data mining and they have a very low social responsibility but a government agency who's job is to protect are not allowed to access data?

Companies are different than government. 

The government has a 4th amendment whereas if you sign up for google you agree to all of the terms and conditions that you don't read.  By doing that you agree to their data mining. 

[jj1000]

I don't think he is.  He says that we should have a discussion about it.  But either way, he's just one opinion...

Bill I believe does think in this case Apple should open the phone from what I've read. And he is a pretty huge opinion, he's not just a guy.

Companies are different than government. 

The government has a 4th amendment whereas if you sign up for google you agree to all of the terms and conditions that you don't read.  By doing that you agree to their data mining. 

And that's exactly what he's pointing out.

[yuneeq]

It's all BS.
THe FBI (along with the NSA, and all the other government agencies that illegally spy on citizens) wants another convenient back door into iOS and they're trying to publicly shame Apple into providing it. They don't deserve crap based both on their reputation for ineptitude and illegal spying, and also based on the fact that this opens an inherent hole into iOS that can and will be used by entities that are just as dangerous as the FBI and NSA.

[yitzf]

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/02/encryption-isnt-at-stake-the-fbi-knows-apple-already-has-the-desired-key/