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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2016, 11:46:04 PM »
"Can't sell most of the stuff what they sell in lakewood" "and many more issue" :o
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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2016, 11:58:48 PM »
Fwiu, the broad consensus of kashrus experts/agencies is that thoroughly washing strawberries is no longer effective at removing bugs.

I personally don't understand how the "bodek" frozen whole ones are clean, but the do have a hechsher.
I heard that cutting off the leafs along with a portion of the fruit and then peeling off all of the peel and seeds is OK.
Not a baal taiva's pick, though...  :P

DISCLAIMER: My post should not replace your LOR's psak in any way. I just restated what I have heard.

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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2016, 12:06:16 AM »
Fwiu, the broad consensus of kashrus experts/agencies is that thoroughly washing strawberries is no longer effective at removing bugs.

I personally don't understand how the "bodek" frozen whole ones are clean, but the do have a hechsher.


These kashrus authorities feel you can clean strawberries

http://www.ok.org/assets/files/OK_Veggie_Checking_Guide.pdf
http://www.crcweb.org/fruit%20&%20veg%20guide.php
http://www.star-k.org/articles/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/kyk2015-05_May1.pdf
https://oukosher.org/ou-guide-to-checking-produce-and-more/
https://www.kof-k.org/docs/CheckVegetablesForBugs.pdf

Bodek makes sure to get crops which are not infested and early in the season.
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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2016, 06:53:44 AM »
Fwiu, the broad consensus of kashrus experts/agencies is that thoroughly washing strawberries is no longer effective at removing bugs.

I personally don't understand how the "bodek" frozen whole ones are clean, but the do have a hechsher.
I personally spoke to 2 very Choshuve Rabbanim, and both gave me the exact process of how to go about cleaning strawberries. Its a huge PITA, but its possible, and to say that its 100% not Kosher is just wrong!

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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2016, 07:09:40 AM »




Not sure about strawberry though. Fwiu they are not checkable.

The fresh strawberries I had last night were quite delicious
Fwiu, the broad consensus of kashrus experts/agencies is that thoroughly washing strawberries is no longer effective at removing bugs.

I personally don't understand how the "bodek" frozen whole ones are clean, but the do have a hechsher.
You can just ask and it can be explained to you

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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2016, 07:19:37 AM »
These kashrus authorities feel you can clean strawberries

http://www.ok.org/assets/files/OK_Veggie_Checking_Guide.pdf
http://www.crcweb.org/fruit%20&%20veg%20guide.php
http://www.star-k.org/articles/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/kyk2015-05_May1.pdf
https://oukosher.org/ou-guide-to-checking-produce-and-more/
https://www.kof-k.org/docs/CheckVegetablesForBugs.pdf

Bodek makes sure to get crops which are not infested and early in the season.
Interesting. This is how we washed strawberies all the years.

A few years ago supposedly something changed and the washing was deemed ineffective.

Either I have been misinformed, or these hechsherim are the minority opinion..

Though I get the feeling that even these hechsherim would admit that there is a big mokom to be machmir.

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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2016, 09:19:34 AM »
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Youd think they were selling pork bellies.
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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2016, 09:42:31 AM »
Youd think they were selling pork bellies.

You can't rinse pork bellies?

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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2016, 09:50:52 AM »
A few years ago supposedly something changed and the washing was deemed ineffective.

there is a big mokom to be machmir.

Maybe that's what changed a few years ago.  The rush to chumrahs...

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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2016, 10:57:43 AM »
Either I have been misinformed, or these hechsherim are the minority opinion..
Considering that these are every major hechsher it would be difficult to call a minority opinion.

Interesting. This is how we washed strawberies all the years.

A few years ago supposedly something changed and the washing was deemed ineffective.

Though I get the feeling that even these hechsherim would admit that there is a big mokom to be machmir.
There are groups of people (you know who some of them are) who go around find chumros especially regarding tolaim even though they are ignorant about siman 84. These are the same people who were writing shtiklach torah about worms in fish based on a line out of a 2 blatt sugya and a half a seif out of a 17 seif siman.
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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2016, 11:03:11 AM »
Maybe.. Going to look into this more. I have been painfully peeling strawberies for the last couple of years. Don't remember the details now, but I'm pretty sure I started this minhag based on solid evidence.

Il research it when I get time bln.

But even one of the links you posted says to "look carefully for the PINK colored insects on the strawberry", and to stay away from Mexican ones.
 - Not sure how comfortable I am with all that.


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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2016, 11:26:58 AM »
Considering that these are every major hechsher it would be difficult to call a minority opinion.
There are groups of people (you know who some of them are) who go around find chumros especially regarding tolaim even though they are ignorant about siman 84. These are the same people who were writing shtiklach torah about worms in fish based on a line out of a 2 blatt sugya and a half a seif out of a 17 seif siman.
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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2016, 11:32:57 AM »
Seems to be some back and forth on this. 2007 the consensus was that strawberies are impossible to clean.
It seems like things have improved.

http://kosherpoint.com/what-can-be-wrong-with-that/strawberries/

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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2016, 12:09:40 PM »
Seems to be some back and forth on this. 2007 the consensus was that strawberies are impossible to clean.
It seems like things have improved.

http://kosherpoint.com/what-can-be-wrong-with-that/strawberries/
I hope you're not posting that one link to prove that there was any sort of 'consensus'. You can check with each of the organizations aygart linked to, but I don't believe any of them held it was categorically impossible to check strawberries, at any point.

[ETA: This is not to say that I don't applaud people who feel there's a legitimate reason to be machmir and take that chumrah on themselves, but rather to say that it doesn't seem to have ever risen to the level where the mainstream kashrus organization felt it was necessary to state categorically that the accepted methods were no longer sufficient. And that comes back to the pic that was posted.]

On a side note, there was a lighting deal a few months ago on this AeroGrow counter-top hydroponic garden:
http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Gro-AeroGarden-Gourmet-Herb-Seed/dp/B010NBJMLI/?tag=cl03f-20
We picked one up (actually ended up with 2 of them for just $70 - gotta love Amazon CS) and have been growing the herbs that it came with. It's nice not to have to check any of it. We're thinking of getting all romaine lettuce for the next round for the same reason.
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Re: Strawberries
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2016, 12:12:17 PM »
I hope you're not posting that one link to prove that there was any sort of 'consensus'. You can check with each of the organizations aygart linked to, but I don't believe any of them held it was categorically impossible to check strawberries, at any point.

On a side note, there was a lighting deal a few months ago on this AeroGrow counter-top hydroponic garden:
http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Gro-AeroGarden-Gourmet-Herb-Seed/dp/B010NBJMLI/?tag=cl03f-20
We picked one up (actually ended up with 2 of them for just $70 - gotta love Amazon CS) and have been growing the herbs that it came with. It's nice not to have to check any of it. We're thinking of getting all romaine lettuce for the next round for the same reason.
sell it in KGH
shouldnt be hard to sell for cheaper than the bodek bags
FWIW, Star K's shita regarding this is different than many of the other organizations.  They rely on a kula regarding determining the chazaka, and therefore many wont eat the lettuce in the fresh express bags with the star k hechsher (I still dont get how some bags have the hechsher and some dont)