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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #225 on: March 13, 2016, 04:55:51 PM »
I rarely see live bugs, but recently I saw a live thrip on a filter cloth after 3 washings . How it survived is beyond me. I also saw a live thrip on fennel under the first layer but that was pre wash.

also helpful to wash under strong running water. After spraying/soaking, it will wash anything living down the drain.

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #226 on: March 13, 2016, 05:02:47 PM »
also helpful to wash under strong running water. After spraying/soaking, it will wash anything living down the drain.
my method : fill large mixing bowl with water and soap to make water slick. Brush under soapy water with toothbrush. Fill sink about 1/2 way  with clean water place strawberries in sink (agitate vigorously for good measure ) then wash under strong stream of water and repeat process a 2ND time. If I had a way of checking the sink water in my house I probably would be satisfied if now insects were found there but I don't have NYC commercial plumbing.

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #227 on: March 13, 2016, 06:20:20 PM »
I still remmber the shock on everyones faces when a meshgiach for one of the well known agencies brought in to the old Beis Eliyahu building in BMG a container of Grade A fresh strawberries from shoprite that had just been thoroughly washed and after a short while started pointing out one aphid after another crawling in and out of the seed pockets. there were multiple live aphids that were only apparent once you knew where to look. I had never noticed them before and it made quite an impression on me and the others who witnessed it. I'm sure there are varying levels of infestation depending on season, location etc. but wow, was that an eye opener....

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #228 on: March 13, 2016, 07:28:59 PM »
I still remmber the shock on everyones faces when a meshgiach for one of the well known agencies brought in to the old Beis Eliyahu building in BMG a container of Grade A fresh strawberries from shoprite that had just been thoroughly washed and after a short while started pointing out one aphid after another crawling in and out of the seed pockets. there were multiple live aphids that were only apparent once you knew where to look. I had never noticed them before and it made quite an impression on me and the others who witnessed it. I'm sure there are varying levels of infestation depending on season, location etc. but wow, was that an eye opener....
Did you see him wash it? The term thoroughly changed throughout the years.

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #229 on: March 13, 2016, 07:32:39 PM »
No we did not see him wash it personally.....

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #230 on: March 13, 2016, 11:17:05 PM »
If I could download the video I took with my eyes you would see the thrip scurrying around inside the central crevice of the strawberry I opened.  I now understand why handsdown, every strawberry should be cut down the center (which is recommended).
That does not mean that it is required to cut them open. Just because they can on occasion be found there does not make it a miut hamatzuy. BTW, recommended by whom?
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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #231 on: March 13, 2016, 11:37:07 PM »
That does not mean that it is required to cut them open. Just because they can on occasion be found there does not make it a miut hamatzuy. BTW, recommended by whom?
That is how we have been doing it for years.  I follow Rav Vaya.  There are other poiskim quoted or referred to upthread.

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #232 on: March 13, 2016, 11:38:37 PM »
That is how we have been doing it for years.  I follow Rav Vaya.  There are other poiskim quoted or referred to upthread.
pretty sure he doesn't require opening them up unless you cut through the cavity on top. But I'll double check

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #233 on: March 13, 2016, 11:41:21 PM »
That is how we have been doing it for years.  I follow Rav Vaya.  There are other poiskim quoted or referred to upthread.
Where? I do not recall anyone quoted as saying that they need to be opened.

ETA:
The post below brings a letter from R Vaye in which there is no mention of cutting the strawberry open (It is attached to the post when you click to it)
Seems to be some back and forth on this. 2007 the consensus was that strawberies are impossible to clean.
It seems like things have improved.

http://kosherpoint.com/what-can-be-wrong-with-that/strawberries/
« Last Edit: March 13, 2016, 11:46:26 PM by aygart »
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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #234 on: March 13, 2016, 11:59:35 PM »
pretty sure he doesn't require opening them up unless you cut through the cavity on top.
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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #235 on: March 14, 2016, 01:13:39 AM »
Where? I do not recall anyone quoted as saying that they need to be opened.

ETA:
The post below brings a letter from R Vaye in which there is no mention of cutting the strawberry open (It is attached to the post when you click to it)
Isn't that what this whole thread is about? The different methods of how strawberries can and can not be checked?  I would be happy to change my methods if he no longer recommends it.  Rav Vaye changed his guidelines once the strawberry infestations started around 2007-2010.

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #236 on: March 14, 2016, 07:00:24 AM »
Rav Vaye changed his guidelines once the strawberry infestations started around 2007-2010.
source? When he was at the OU in the summer of 2014 he didn't require that

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #237 on: March 31, 2016, 12:42:58 AM »
Tolaim are a big issue of debate for me. I dont really believe in the whole shpiel, there are 3 lo sasseh's on tolaiim but im not convinced on the din and where one goes beyond the letter of the law.

I dont eat the bugs I find in life, as tempted as I am.

According to snaple caps, one swallows 12 flies on avg in a life time while sleeping.. I assume they made it up.. but now we need a mouth cover for sleeping ?

I do what I feel follows my belief and practice... I cut off where instructed, soak etc but I tend to agree with others, these chumros dont often mesh with reality...

God forbid hillel hazaken's korech steak sandwich had lettuce!! i'd assume he had mayo and a tomato too? dammit cartman, i'm adding a klp pickle to my korech this year!

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #238 on: March 31, 2016, 12:54:04 AM »
Tolaim are a big issue of debate for me. I dont really believe in the whole shpiel, there are 3 lo sasseh's on tolaiim but im not convinced on the din and where one goes beyond the letter of the law.

I dont eat the bugs I find in life, as tempted as I am.

According to snaple caps, one swallows 12 flies on avg in a life time while sleeping.. I assume they made it up.. but now we need a mouth cover for sleeping ?

I do what I feel follows my belief and practice... I cut off where instructed, soak etc but I tend to agree with others, these chumros dont often mesh with reality...

God forbid hillel hazaken's korech steak sandwich had lettuce!! i'd assume he had mayo and a tomato too? dammit cartman, i'm adding a klp pickle to my korech this year!
You really went out on a spree today! This post really is in line with your views here.

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Re: Ban Strawberries
« Reply #239 on: March 31, 2016, 01:07:31 AM »
You really went out on a spree today! This post really is in line with your views here.

How do you know my views ? I dont take the moral high ground as easy as it is for many... who will drag their Rav through the mud and disgrace a mikdash meat by talking in shull ... and during kadish and that is their problem but I mean at least I dont pretend to be holy.

I ask a question of Kashrut to someone competent in line with my hashkafa or get a 2nd opinion on logistics and follow it.

I ate trayf as a teenager, I dont need justification. I will soak veggies in water with salt, cut off tips where instructed etc..

But I really see tolaim as a hashkafic thing along with those who only eat a certain shechita or dont trim their beard.. Why accept crazy chumros ?

Different folks, different strokes... yet some are pressured in to buying over priced frozen garbage thats a shod af yidisher gelt