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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #390 on: June 26, 2017, 01:45:37 PM »
it seems that they visit every community. What's next? Brooklyn?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #391 on: June 26, 2017, 01:47:06 PM »
Schools don't just get raided.  A warrant would be needed regardless.  Whether the school was raided because of the investigation into the fraud or some other independent matter is pretty much irrelevant.
Im not so sure they would just get a warrant approved because X happens to send his kids there.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #392 on: June 26, 2017, 01:50:17 PM »
Im not so sure they would just get a warrant approved because X happens to send his kids there.

I don't think it's very hard to get a warrant.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #393 on: June 26, 2017, 01:50:28 PM »
isn't it nice of the feds that they got a female agent escorting the ladies and men for the men? A medinah shel chesed

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #394 on: June 26, 2017, 01:53:58 PM »
I don't think it's very hard to get a warrant.
Its not. Just a better reason is kinda needed.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #395 on: June 26, 2017, 01:58:50 PM »
Schools don't just get raided.  A warrant would be needed regardless.  Whether the school was raided because of the investigation into the fraud or some other independent matter is pretty much irrelevant.

That is not what I said.
I said it was very easy for the feds to look at the business bank statements that show payments to the school.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #396 on: June 26, 2017, 02:02:49 PM »
Already nearly 70k views of each of the public FBI complaints.
Sad.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #397 on: June 26, 2017, 02:08:39 PM »
That is not what I said.
I said it was very easy for the feds to look at the business bank statements that show payments to the school.

I wasn't disagreeing, I was responding to TimT.

And probable cause is a very low bar so warrants are pretty easy to obtain.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #398 on: June 26, 2017, 02:08:52 PM »
Its not. Just a better reason is kinda needed.
It is called a subpoena. Not difficult at all. Once there is probably cause against the defendant they can get what they need for the investigation. Similar to when they subpoena IPs from google.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #399 on: June 26, 2017, 08:19:59 PM »
weren't some schools raided upthread for other violations? are these schools not the same ones?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #400 on: June 26, 2017, 08:34:43 PM »
This seems to have mainly come from the raid on beepers plus. I can't imagine they didn't see it coming.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #401 on: June 26, 2017, 08:39:12 PM »
This seems to have mainly come from the raid on beepers plus. I can't imagine they didn't see it coming.

According to the docs, one of the couples were notified in 2014 that they were being investigated for Medicaid fraud, and they subsequently started canceling their enrollment in assistance programs over the next few months. I'm sure they saw this coming (at least to a certain extent), but I'm not sure what took so long.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #402 on: June 26, 2017, 08:41:31 PM »
One other thing to point out is that their credit card usage was part of the picture too. By the time someone tries to explain MS ing to the feds it is too late.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #403 on: June 26, 2017, 09:02:17 PM »
One other thing to point out is that their credit card usage was part of the picture too. By the time someone tries to explain MS ing to the feds it is too late.

MS is irrelevant to this story, the credit card usage was fairly normal. Yeah potentially if someone is committing financial crimes they should stay away from MS but that's like saying a child abuser should stay away from playgrounds because it will look bad if they catch him abusing kids elsewhere.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #404 on: June 26, 2017, 09:12:32 PM »
One other thing to point out is that their credit card usage was part of the picture too. By the time someone tries to explain MS ing to the feds it is too late.
what is MSing?