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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #405 on: June 26, 2017, 09:15:48 PM »
MS is irrelevant to this story, the credit card usage was fairly normal. Yeah potentially if someone is committing financial crimes they should stay away from MS but that's like saying a child abuser should stay away from playgrounds because it will look bad if they catch him abusing kids elsewhere.
it probably was not involved in this case but the feds did look at credit card spending. Someone who plays the games with programs is probably better off avoiding MSing. You are correct that by itself it is unlikely to be an issue.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #406 on: June 26, 2017, 09:23:40 PM »
Someone who plays the games with programs is probably better off avoiding MSing.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #407 on: June 26, 2017, 10:15:50 PM »
Why are they looking at private school tuition records ?

People need to really watch out. While I don't condone the crime, he was one of many and just got unlucky. He is basically a Korbon.

I have always thought about the FBI investigating how a large family that sends their kids to private schools can be on welfare.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #408 on: June 26, 2017, 10:37:33 PM »
People need to really watch out. While I don't condone the crime, he was one of many and just got unlucky. He is basically a Korbon.

I have always thought about the FBI investigating how a large family that sends their kids to private schools can be on welfare.
Doesn't welfare pay vouchers to the schools ? Or is that something else.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #409 on: June 26, 2017, 10:40:59 PM »
Doesn't welfare pay vouchers to the schools ? Or is that something else.
That is something else. The welfare in question here are the most common benefits like Section 8, Foodstamps and medicaid.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #410 on: June 26, 2017, 10:50:44 PM »
People need to really watch out. While I don't condone the crime, he was one of many and just got unlucky. He is basically a Korbon.

Are there really that many that make $500k-$1M and are on programs?

(Don't know anything other than what was in the article/charges)

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #411 on: June 26, 2017, 10:51:20 PM »
Are there really that many that make $500k-$1M and are on programs?

(Don't know anything other than what was in the article/charges)
some people doing MS may look like they did.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #412 on: June 26, 2017, 10:53:43 PM »
Are there really that many that make $500k-$1M and are on programs?

(Don't know anything other than what was in the article/charges)
No. But many in the $100-200K range. Though I imagine that the fact that they made $1 million per year is probably what triggered a red flag.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #413 on: June 26, 2017, 11:06:14 PM »
Someone who plays the games with programs is probably better off avoiding MSing.

....or as Hillary would say:


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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #414 on: June 26, 2017, 11:44:13 PM »
....or as Hillary would say:


I love that one.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #415 on: June 26, 2017, 11:56:19 PM »
isn't it nice of the feds that they got a female agent escorting the ladies and men for the men? A medinah shel chesed
Not sure if you meant this tongue in cheek or not, but I agree. You can't blame the FBI for investigating and acting on alleged fraud. And they don't need to come prepared to make religious accommodations. So when they do I think it is a small siman of the medina shel chesed.
 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #416 on: June 26, 2017, 11:57:30 PM »
Not sure if you meant this tongue in cheek or not, but I agree. You can't blame the FBI for investigating and acting on alleged fraud. And they don't need to come prepared to make religious accommodations. So when they do I think it is a small siman of the medina shel chesed.

I don't think he was being sarcastic.
I also noticed it and think it was a thoughtful gesture.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #417 on: June 27, 2017, 12:05:08 AM »
Man, the comments sections in these articles are painful to read. It's sad and brutal at the same time.

I honestly think that publications/outlets who think that their readership audiences might be the subject of these criticisms.. should take these comments sections and start  editorializing with it, to raise awareness that the year is 2017, in the most advanced country in the world, and the time of living in the shadows are over, our neighbors and the government are aware of everything and it's just a matter of time before things get out of hand.

Its an unavoidable ticking time bomb that is going to explode if people aren't aware of how we're perceived and start changing that perception.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #418 on: June 27, 2017, 12:09:35 AM »
Man, the comments sections in these articles are painful to read. It's sad and brutal at the same time.

I honestly think that publications/outlets who think that their readership audiences might be the subject of these criticisms.. should take these comments sections and start  editorializing with it, to raise awareness that the year is 2017, in the most advanced country in the world, and the time of living in the shadows are over, our neighbors and the government are aware of everything and it's just a matter of time before things get out of hand.

Its an unavoidable ticking time bomb that is going to explode if people aren't aware of how we're perceived and start changing that perception.
The people that should be taking mussar from the comments sections usually just mach avek, with 'eh, a bunch of anti-semites' and go on playing games.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #419 on: June 27, 2017, 12:39:21 AM »
People need to really watch out. While I don't condone the crime, he was one of many and just got unlucky. He is basically a Korbon.

I have always thought about the FBI investigating how a large family that sends their kids to private schools can be on welfare.
Um -1

someone who was making 1 million a year and doing this is not a korbon...
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