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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #555 on: June 28, 2017, 12:27:18 PM »
Find a city with tuition vouchers that aren't income based?
Find a job and make time for learning?

Either are better than going to jail and having someone else raise your kids...this should be a wake-up call.
its the learning people that dont have the issue. They very well fall within the brackets for benefits. A kollel guy that goes to work to make 60k or whatever it is.....you may have to give up on 100k worth of benifits....

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #556 on: June 28, 2017, 12:27:52 PM »
If the only way to make your lifestyle work is to lie and cheat, you're a criminal, not a tzaddik.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #557 on: June 28, 2017, 12:28:00 PM »
Really? You are mistaken.
How so?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #558 on: June 28, 2017, 12:28:51 PM »
I'm not talking about someone who occasionally lies, or is more or less following the law but takes some money off the books periodically. I'm talking about a deliberate plan to take 10s of thousands in benefits over many years. There's also a difference between a Shev V'Al Taaseh of not reporting something vs. A Kum V'Asieh of filling out forms that are knowingly wrong.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #559 on: June 28, 2017, 12:29:35 PM »
its the learning people that dont have the issue. They very well fall within the brackets for benefits.
It is the learning people that have these issues. It's just that it's is during the transition out of Kollel when the problem start.
There needs to be a process/direction for people to wean themselves off the programs etc.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #560 on: June 28, 2017, 12:30:29 PM »
its the learning people that dont have the issue. They very well fall within the brackets for benefits. A kollel guy that goes to work to make 60k or whatever it is.....you may have to give up on 100k worth of benifits....
Well that goes back to the need for an education...
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #561 on: June 28, 2017, 12:32:01 PM »
Well that goes back to the need for an education...
Lots of educated ppl don't make too much money.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #562 on: June 28, 2017, 12:32:16 PM »
Well that goes back to the need for an education...
How many fields can one get a starting job right out of school for 100k?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #563 on: June 28, 2017, 12:32:31 PM »
Lots of educated ppl don't make too much money.
That depends on what they're educated in.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #565 on: June 28, 2017, 12:34:40 PM »
That depends on what they're educated in.
So give us some ideas of how to get starting salaries of 100k. As soon as enough people start going that route it will drop significantly.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #566 on: June 28, 2017, 12:35:15 PM »
How many fields can one get a starting job right out of school for 100k?
That depends on what they're educated in.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=62563.msg1749104#msg1749104

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #567 on: June 28, 2017, 12:36:30 PM »
So give us some ideas of how to get starting salaries of 100k. As soon as enough people start going that route it will drop significantly.
Salaries of 100k are not even enough to live a comfortable lifestyle in the frum world with a nice amount of kids.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #568 on: June 28, 2017, 12:37:10 PM »
Salaries of 100k are not even enough to live a comfortable lifestyle in the frum world with a nice amount of kids.
+1000

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #569 on: June 28, 2017, 12:38:00 PM »
Salaries of 100k are not even enough to live a comfortable lifestyle in the frum world with a nice amount of kids.
especially given that lots of people are taking their first jobs while already in debt.
If you focus on being a boss, you will never be a leader. Leaders lead people to growth and improvement.