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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #560 on: June 28, 2017, 12:30:29 PM »
its the learning people that dont have the issue. They very well fall within the brackets for benefits. A kollel guy that goes to work to make 60k or whatever it is.....you may have to give up on 100k worth of benifits....
Well that goes back to the need for an education...
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #561 on: June 28, 2017, 12:32:01 PM »
Well that goes back to the need for an education...
Lots of educated ppl don't make too much money.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #562 on: June 28, 2017, 12:32:16 PM »
Well that goes back to the need for an education...
How many fields can one get a starting job right out of school for 100k?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #563 on: June 28, 2017, 12:32:31 PM »
Lots of educated ppl don't make too much money.
That depends on what they're educated in.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #565 on: June 28, 2017, 12:34:40 PM »
That depends on what they're educated in.
So give us some ideas of how to get starting salaries of 100k. As soon as enough people start going that route it will drop significantly.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #566 on: June 28, 2017, 12:35:15 PM »
How many fields can one get a starting job right out of school for 100k?
That depends on what they're educated in.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #567 on: June 28, 2017, 12:36:30 PM »
So give us some ideas of how to get starting salaries of 100k. As soon as enough people start going that route it will drop significantly.
Salaries of 100k are not even enough to live a comfortable lifestyle in the frum world with a nice amount of kids.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #568 on: June 28, 2017, 12:37:10 PM »
Salaries of 100k are not even enough to live a comfortable lifestyle in the frum world with a nice amount of kids.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #569 on: June 28, 2017, 12:38:00 PM »
Salaries of 100k are not even enough to live a comfortable lifestyle in the frum world with a nice amount of kids.
especially given that lots of people are taking their first jobs while already in debt.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #571 on: June 28, 2017, 12:45:51 PM »
ummm did you look at the starting salary it says on that sign?
I did :) I also looked at Job search websites. It looks like those salaries are before any training and experience. Once you have some experience it goes up very quickly. They say (http://yeshivaofnewark.org) they have training by this guy, Golan Ben Oni, who's written up here last week, https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/22/technology/ransomware-attack-nsa-cyberweapons.html

I'm assuming that training qualifies as some experience and with his connections one could land a job with a higher starting salary.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #572 on: June 28, 2017, 12:48:40 PM »
Salaries of 100k are not even enough to live a comfortable lifestyle in the frum world with a nice amount of kids.

You don't think Hashem can help or do you think this is exactly what Hashem wants?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #573 on: June 28, 2017, 12:50:01 PM »
You don't think Hashem can help or do you think this is exactly what Hashem wants?
I'm just saying an education is not a good enough answer.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #574 on: June 28, 2017, 12:52:23 PM »

Why is cashing out a refi not income? Why is having medicaid paying a bill for you illegitimately not a benefit?
a refi is a loan that you have to payback eventually
Medicaid is just paying the insurance, had you paid for the insurance the bill would be covered by said insurance. In effect the FBI is "double billing"

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #575 on: June 28, 2017, 12:53:38 PM »
I did :) I also looked at Job search websites. It looks like those salaries are before any training and experience. Once you have some experience it goes up very quickly. They say (http://yeshivaofnewark.org) they have training by this guy, Golan Ben Oni, who's written up here last week, https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/22/technology/ransomware-attack-nsa-cyberweapons.html

I'm assuming that training qualifies as some experience and with his connections one could land a job with a higher starting salary.
Why would they be advertising a starting salary as what one would get BEFORE their training?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #576 on: June 28, 2017, 12:58:07 PM »
Why would they be advertising a starting salary as what one would get BEFORE their training?
That's a good question. Probably because they want to be very honest and not set expectations high. This is something one could look-up right away. If someone has just the BS in Cybersecurity, this is the starting salary range.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #577 on: June 28, 2017, 12:59:38 PM »
That's a good question. Probably because they want to be very honest and not set expectations high. This is something one could look-up right away. If someone has just the BS in Cybersecurity, this is the starting salary range.
Now what happens after a few thousand more people in the NY area take such courses?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #578 on: June 28, 2017, 01:01:39 PM »
Now what happens after a few thousand more people in the NY area take such courses?
According to the studies I saw, there's a projected 1,000,000 UNFULFILLED jobs in Cybersecurity Nationwide by 2020, and 1.5 million worldwide. If you look at the heatmap, most jobs are in Silicon Valley area followed very closely by NYC metro area, and then Washington DC area.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #579 on: June 28, 2017, 01:01:39 PM »
Medicaid is just paying the insurance, had you paid for the insurance the bill would be covered by said insurance. In effect the FBI is "double billing"

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Claims experience matters to future premiums. The insurance companies don't have to take losses, and everyone's premiums go up. The amount of the claims is the amount of the fraud. Alternatively, comparing to buying insurance is a logical falsehood- they went on Medicaid instead of being uninsured.

The vast majority of people who apply for benefits while earning more than allowable are doing so because they are desperate. They earn too much to be eligible for benefits, and at the same time do not earn enough to survive.

Survive? Sorry, that's absolutely false. What you mean is they don't earn enough to maintain the expensive lifestyle they've chosen.

I have complete sympathy for that, as do you, and I'd assume most frum people. But don't expect outsiders to be as understanding - no one outside the community would equate that lifestyle with basic survival.
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