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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #585 on: June 28, 2017, 01:23:53 PM »
10+ kids is pretty rare around here.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #586 on: June 28, 2017, 01:38:08 PM »
10+ kids is pretty rare around here.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #588 on: June 28, 2017, 01:43:29 PM »
Bingo

2 girls in my daughters 8th grade class of 24 in Lakewood are from families of 14 kids and several more are 10+ siblings.....

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #590 on: June 28, 2017, 02:07:05 PM »
The amount of people who's ONLY concern is chillul hashem is astounding. The prevalent views on Gezel akum, Taos akum, Lying, etc are shocking. People seem to think yashrus is only for suckers and 'harrys'.

(I actually heard someone say that even the chillul hashem isnt an issue if they had a 'heter')

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #591 on: June 28, 2017, 02:21:16 PM »
The amount of people who's ONLY concern is chillul hashem is astounding. The prevalent views on Gezel akum, Taos akum, Lying, etc are shocking. People seem to think yashrus is only for suckers and 'harrys'.

(I actually heard someone say that even the chillul hashem isnt an issue if they had a 'heter')

What about אל תדין את חברך עד שתגיע למקומו?

How much gezel akum and taos akum is there when taking advantage of price mistakes and then asking Amazon to give you free money? How much is there when milking millions of points and miles out of credit card companies? I am guilty as charged, and I therefore don't ask about other people's gezel akum and taos akum.


I'm not entirely certain that chillul hashem is really what bothers most people. Most people are embarrassed by association ("now everyone will think I do this kind of fraud too and it makes me look bad"), not by the fact that hashem's name has been desecrated.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #592 on: June 28, 2017, 02:24:56 PM »
How much gezel akum and taos akum is there when taking advantage of price mistakes and then asking Amazon to give you free money? How much is there when milking millions of points and miles out of credit card companies? I am guilty as charged, and I therefore don't ask about other people's gezel akum and taos akum.
I think you are proving my point.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #593 on: June 28, 2017, 02:26:53 PM »
Akum?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #594 on: June 28, 2017, 02:27:39 PM »
What about אל תדין את חברך עד שתגיע למקומו?

How much gezel akum and taos akum is there when taking advantage of price mistakes and then asking Amazon to give you free money? How much is there when milking millions of points and miles out of credit card companies? I am guilty as charged, and I therefore don't ask about other people's gezel akum and taos akum.


I'm not entirely certain that chillul hashem is really what bothers most people. Most people are embarrassed by association ("now everyone will think I do this kind of fraud too and it makes me look bad"), not by the fact that hashem's name has been desecrated.
Min difference between this and the examples you cited is that if someone buys an item on a price mistake, Amazon doesn't have to give the credit. It's their choice. Same with banks. They could 5x24 or whatever to stop people, or just red flag certain Ssn to automatically decline etc.

Here, lying took place to cheat the government into giving the money. Completely different.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #595 on: June 28, 2017, 02:28:06 PM »
10+ kids is pretty rare around here.
Is it the water?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #596 on: June 28, 2017, 02:29:31 PM »
Is it the water?
Less section 8/food stamps/medicaid to subsidize it?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #597 on: June 28, 2017, 02:32:32 PM »
Less section 8/food stamps/medicaid to subsidize it?

#antisemitism
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #598 on: June 28, 2017, 02:33:58 PM »
Salaries of 100k are not even enough to live a comfortable lifestyle in the frum world with a nice amount of kids.

Living comfortably isn't a right. In fact, Pas Bimelach Tochal doesn't include granite counter tops...

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #599 on: June 28, 2017, 02:35:57 PM »
Living comfortably isn't a right. In fact, Pas Bimelach Tochal doesn't include granite counter tops...

How about a Honda Odyssey?