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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #600 on: June 28, 2017, 02:39:11 PM »
Living comfortably isn't a right. In fact, Pas Bimelach Tochal doesn't include granite counter tops...

Is there anyone alive today who lives by the literal reading of that Mishnah?

How about a Honda Odyssey?

Funny that I thought the exact same thing.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #601 on: June 28, 2017, 02:40:40 PM »
Is there anyone alive today who lives by the literal reading of that Mishnah?

Yes, or at least take the figurative meaning to heart.  But they don't make it into the newspapers. 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #602 on: June 28, 2017, 02:43:17 PM »
Yes, or at least take the figurative meaning to heart.  But they don't make it into the newspapers.

If you're on a gluten-free diet you're done for. Maybe kale with salt...

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #603 on: June 28, 2017, 02:44:13 PM »
If you're on a gluten-free diet you're done for. Maybe kale with salt...
Let's see anyone affording that! Healthy food is a lot more expensive.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #604 on: June 28, 2017, 02:57:27 PM »
Living comfortably isn't a right. In fact, Pas Bimelach Tochal doesn't include granite counter tops...
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #605 on: June 28, 2017, 02:57:31 PM »
Let's see anyone affording that! Healthy food is a lot more expensive.
It is. But somehow it tends to even out with the good number of people (including myself ) who have changed their diets.

All the cheap junk adds up too.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #606 on: June 28, 2017, 03:11:09 PM »
Starting CPAs in the big accounting firms start at about 60k in the smaller places can be 50k. Takes a pretty long time to make 100k and by then you need 200k once your paying tuition and health insurance... Not everyone can become a lawyer or Dr and even those that do are not guaranteed an income above that. Maybe a grad from a top law school can get that starting. One of the biggest expenses families face nowadays is healthcare and it keeps getting more expensive and covers less.
Based on my current income I can't even see the day my wife can cut her hours or stop working, growing up 2 income families was not necessary.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #607 on: June 28, 2017, 03:13:31 PM »
Starting CPAs in the big accounting firms start at about 60k in the smaller places can be 50k. Takes a pretty long time to make 100k and by then you need 200k once your paying tuition and health insurance... Not everyone can become a lawyer or Dr and even those that do are not guaranteed an income above that. Maybe a grad from a top law school can get that starting. One of the biggest expenses families face nowadays is healthcare and it keeps getting more expensive and covers less.
Based on my current income I can't even see the day my wife can cut her hours or stop working, growing up 2 income families was not necessary.

What's your point? 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #608 on: June 28, 2017, 03:16:15 PM »
How many fields can one get a starting job right out of school for 100k?
If someone needs 100k to support themselves right out of school then something is drastically wrong somewhere.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #609 on: June 28, 2017, 03:16:41 PM »
What's your point?
my point was that someone on this thread just said that if we are educated we will make over 100k and all problems are solved, I was trying to bring out the facts that making 100K is not so easy and most jobs don't pay that even with education.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #610 on: June 28, 2017, 03:18:46 PM »
If someone needs 100k to support themselves right out of school then something is drastically wrong somewhere.
Right out of school assuming a year or 2 of kollel, 3 years of school you can have 2 kids already and between student loans and general living expenses, you would be surprised. I can send you my budget and let me know where I should cut down.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #611 on: June 28, 2017, 03:19:05 PM »
my point was that someone on this thread just said that if we are educated we will make over 100k and all problems are solved, I was trying to bring out the facts that making 100K is not so easy and most jobs don't pay that even with education.

I guess I don't understand what this has to do with the arrests.   They stole from the government.  Are people excusing it because they chose an expensive lifestyle? 


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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #612 on: June 28, 2017, 03:20:34 PM »
I guess I don't understand what this has to do with the arrests.   They stole from the government.  Are people excusing it because they chose an expensive lifestyle?
No, but it was brought up in the thread. If you stole you stole but knowing the whole story helps you understand the mentality behind it, i doubt they started out with the mindset to steal.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #613 on: June 28, 2017, 03:29:12 PM »
No, but it was brought up in the thread. If you stole you stole but knowing the whole story helps you understand the mentality behind it, i doubt they started out with the mindset to steal.

Or maybe the whole story is just greed like normal humans? Jews are people too and people make poor decisions sometimes.  Why does there have to be a "mentality" behind it.  There are a whole lot of people that "struggle" with finances that don't steal. 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #614 on: June 28, 2017, 03:33:39 PM »
Less section 8/food stamps/medicaid to subsidize it?

Much more to do with brand of orthodoxy and psak regarding BC