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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #615 on: June 28, 2017, 03:35:32 PM »
No, but it was brought up in the thread. If you stole you stole but knowing the whole story helps you understand the mentality behind it, i doubt they started out with the mindset to steal.
Like black kids that have only know poverty their whole life?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #616 on: June 28, 2017, 03:36:43 PM »
Right out of school assuming a year or 2 of kollel, 3 years of school you can have 2 kids already and between student loans and general living expenses, you would be surprised. I can send you my budget and let me know where I should cut down.
I would be more than happy to make changes to your budget but I know you won't like them.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #617 on: June 28, 2017, 03:37:45 PM »
No, but it was brought up in the thread. If you stole you stole but knowing the whole story helps you understand the mentality behind it, i doubt they started out with the mindset to steal.
Or maybe the whole story is just greed like normal humans? Jews are people too and people make poor decisions sometimes.  Why does there have to be a "mentality" behind it.  There are a whole lot of people that "struggle" with finances that don't steal. 
what are you guys arguing about? do you just like letting everyone know the tint of your lenses?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #618 on: June 28, 2017, 03:39:00 PM »
Like black kids that have only know poverty their whole life?
Don't think we should go down that route.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #619 on: June 28, 2017, 03:54:50 PM »
Don't think we should go down that route.
If we are going to bring up the mentality behind someone doing something you don't think that was a fair question.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #620 on: June 28, 2017, 03:59:06 PM »
If we are going to bring up the mentality behind someone doing something you don't think that was a fair question.
nope

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #621 on: June 28, 2017, 03:59:27 PM »
Right out of school assuming a year or 2 of kollel, 3 years of school you can have 2 kids already and between student loans and general living expenses, you would be surprised. I can send you my budget and let me know where I should cut down.

Yes, please send it over and we can go Dave Ramsey all over it.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #622 on: June 28, 2017, 04:05:26 PM »
Like black kids that have only know poverty their whole life?
Wasn't the whole purpose of these programs to get them out of that?
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #623 on: June 28, 2017, 04:06:36 PM »
Like black kids that have only know poverty their whole life?
Aren't you 2 days early for a comment like that

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #624 on: June 28, 2017, 04:14:36 PM »
Wasn't the whole purpose of these programs to get them out of that?
Shhhh. Let's not tell the truth. It's actually called buying votes, but we make it sound benevolent. Just like the 25 MPH speed limit on Ocean Parkway and other major traffic arteries, it's designed to fund an agenda without "raising taxes", but they make it sound like it's about saving lives.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #625 on: June 28, 2017, 04:14:37 PM »
I once spoke with R Meir Stern about how to deal with the issue that even though I was making ends meet at the time, at the then current trajectory I wouldn't once all of my kids born at the time reached school age. He answered me that "Right now you will be needing to pay their tuitions is a few years" Realizing that is not tachkor achar asidos but it is right now that these are expense I would have down the road. To not calculate accordingly is foolish and not emuna ubitachon.

This really obvious but a big portion of how people get trapped.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #626 on: June 28, 2017, 04:16:40 PM »
I once spoke with R Meir Stern about how to deal with the issue that even though I was making ends meet at the time, at the then current trajectory I wouldn't once all of my kids born at the time reached school age. He answered me that "Right now you will be needing to pay their tuitions in a few years" Realizing that is not tachkor achar asidos but it is right now that these are expense I would have down the road. To not calculate accordingly is foolish and not emuna ubitachon.

This really obvious but a big portion of how people get trapped.
Thank you. Would be very helpful if all Rosh Yeshivas were more like him.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #627 on: June 28, 2017, 04:21:42 PM »
I once spoke with R Meir Stern about how to deal with the issue that even though I was making ends meet at the time, at the then current trajectory I wouldn't once all of my kids born at the time reached school age. He answered me that "Right now you will be needing to pay their tuitions is a few years" Realizing that is not tachkor achar asidos but it is right now that these are expense I would have down the road. To not calculate accordingly is foolish and not emuna ubitachon.

This really obvious but a big portion of how people get trapped.
And the practical solution was?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #628 on: June 28, 2017, 04:27:44 PM »
And the practical solution was?
That was personal to me and my situation at the time, but I was in full time kollel for ten more years after that conversation.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #629 on: June 28, 2017, 04:28:31 PM »
Thank you. Would be very helpful if all Rosh Yeshivas were more like him.
CMIIW, but I believe R' Meir Stern is opposed to the whole "programs for a living" concept. I've heard members of his kollel have restrictions on signing up for various programs.