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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #630 on: June 28, 2017, 04:28:38 PM »
And the practical solution was?

BC.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #631 on: June 28, 2017, 04:31:00 PM »
BC.
That was not part of the conversation
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #632 on: June 28, 2017, 04:31:31 PM »
That was not part of the conversation

Then what was the point of your post?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #633 on: June 28, 2017, 04:32:38 PM »
Less section 8/food stamps/medicaid to subsidize it?
Think it will change with the vouchers?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #634 on: June 28, 2017, 04:39:17 PM »
Think it will change with the vouchers?
Section 8/food stamps/medicaid are blue programs. This is a pink state, so not likely to expand.
Vouchers are a red program. We'll see what happens to that if there is a blue 2018 like 2008.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #635 on: June 28, 2017, 04:44:32 PM »
Yes, please send it over and we can go Dave Ramsey all over it.
See attached, keep in mind this is after taxes are paid and health insurance takes over 800 a month out of my paycheck and a 4000 deductible so I am still paying every visit. PM me if you have any good ideas, for some expenses I took the prior year's actuals and took the average. My average tax rate the last few years was ~14%
Trust me I Dave Ramsey it every month (I make him look easy) but my wife vetos almost every cut  ;) When you are married there is more than one point of view...
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #636 on: June 28, 2017, 04:45:18 PM »
Section 8/food stamps/medicaid are blue programs. This is a pink state, so not likely to expand.
Vouchers are a red program. We'll see what happens to that if there is a blue 2018 like 2008.
Vouchers will eventually become income based. Even trumps voucher plan is income based.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #637 on: June 28, 2017, 04:49:49 PM »
Vouchers will eventually become income based.
What does that have to do with the OH program?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #638 on: June 28, 2017, 04:51:40 PM »
there should be a limit for anyone learning in kollel. 2 years i say. anyone that wants to learn past that needs to get permission from the rosh yeshivas. its unsustainable to learn for 5-7 years and then start working with 3-4 kids. 35k starting salary wont cut it.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #639 on: June 28, 2017, 04:59:11 PM »
there should be a limit for anyone learning in kollel. 2 years i say. anyone that wants to learn past that needs to get permission from the rosh yeshivas. its unsustainable to learn for 5-7 years and then start working with 3-4 kids. 35k starting salary wont cut it.
Its been successfully done.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #640 on: June 28, 2017, 04:59:31 PM »
What does that have to do with the OH program?
I think there is a good chance OH will go that way as well.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #641 on: June 28, 2017, 05:00:26 PM »
there should be a limit for anyone learning in kollel. 2 years i say. anyone that wants to learn past that needs to get permission from the rosh yeshivas. its unsustainable to learn for 5-7 years and then start working with 3-4 kids. 35k starting salary wont cut it.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #642 on: June 28, 2017, 05:01:26 PM »
Vouchers will eventually become income based. Even trumps voucher plan is income based.

Public schools are free regardless of income. I have read the average cost in Ohio per public school student is a minimum 16k+, The private school vouchers are about 1/4 of that amount.

Once you get past the separation of Church and state issue, why should it be income based?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #643 on: June 28, 2017, 05:02:31 PM »
Without condoning stealing from people or government in the slightest bit, I think for the most part the programs were intended to bring people up to a quality of life higher than the average Kollel lifestyle.

The primary deviation is private school, which we consider a bare necessity while the teachers unions would like to have it considered a luxury.

Also, with the reality that many parents pay more tuition than their fair share, it really is charity yet the US tax code does not allow deducting it.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #644 on: June 28, 2017, 05:04:38 PM »
average cost in Ohio per public school student is a minimum 16k+, The private school vouchers are about 1/4 of that amount.

+1

The teachers unions are robbing our entire society blind.

Public schools should be illegal. In many progressive countries, notably Sweden, most kids are educated at for profit schools.

Imagine how Americans would feel if most healthcare was administered in government hospitals - yet Education has a far more significant impact
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