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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2016, 08:12:56 PM »
The Frum world needs to learn how to run organizations and raise families without resorting to shady tactics. Until and unless that happens, the fraud will continue.

Instilling proper values in children would be a great start.
+1      Maybe in an insular system that discourages working and higher education, the temptation for fraud is simply too grt. As w/o fraud there might be a shortage of $$

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2016, 09:45:45 PM »
Just a thought.

A black guy gets arrested after being accused of burglary, online commenters on the article say that the guy is def. guilty and that blacks are always stealing. Many of you SJW's here would be calling those commenters racist.

Meanwhile, a Jew gets accused of fraud, online commenters say the guy should get thrown in jail for many years, and that Jews are always committing fraud. What's the response?

If I step up and says the commenter is racist or hateful, immediately all the SJW's forget how they would react when the accused was black or any other race. No, Jews are different. Because us Jews experienced a holocaust, and if this racism isn't as bad as the holocaust then you gotta do your duty and shut up. Also, Jews have a higher moral compass, so if a Jew may have done something wrong he deserves more punishment and hate than anyone else from any other race.

So someone explain to me, why the double standard?
Why the thinly veiled racism/self hatred?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2016, 09:54:16 PM »
So now we're never allowed to criticize a Jew or it makes you self-hating?  Grow up, kids.  We're not perfect.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #83 on: March 17, 2016, 10:02:07 PM »


Ideally you only criticize people that are guilty.
And ideally it doesn't become your life goal to criticize Jews.
If it's your life goal, then yes, you are self-hating Jew, plain and simple.

And the "grow up, kids. We're not perfect" line.
Condescending remarks to anyone that disagrees with his opinion, followed up with an excuse.
Just perfect.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #84 on: March 17, 2016, 10:12:49 PM »

i havent spent enough time on the forums to decide whos "life goals" are to criticize jews

IMHO there is alot more hyper sensitivity to any criticism. Im also not sure how the holocaust is relevant

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #85 on: March 17, 2016, 10:39:24 PM »
i havent spent enough time on the forums to decide whos "life goals" are to criticize jews

Umm okay

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IMHO there is alot more hyper sensitivity to any criticism. Im also not sure how the holocaust is relevant

IMHO any group getting criticized, fairly or not, is hypersensitive.
And Jews get criticized for being hypersensitive more than anyone else.
No one said the holocaust is relevant, I'm sorry you don't comprehend.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #86 on: March 17, 2016, 11:05:37 PM »
And the "grow up, kids. We're not perfect" line.
Condescending remarks to anyone that disagrees with his opinion, followed up with an excuse.
Just perfect.

Wait... do you see the irony in your post? 

The first person to allow the conversation to devolve into name-calling was - drumroll - you.  When someone shines a light onto the corrupt, abusive, and/or fraudulent activities in our community, you and so many others attack the messenger for some reason; not just in this case, but even when someone has been found guilty.  Or then, it's "they got railroaded by an anti-Semitic judge/prosecutor/system." 

We need to take responsibility for these actions as a community, and do what we can to stop them.  Not hide, justify, or excuse them.

/end rant

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #87 on: March 17, 2016, 11:18:47 PM »
Lot of ranting on the soap boxes.
Would anybody like to point out the wrongdoings here?
(Besides for being frum of course. They're guilty on that count, I'll concede.)
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #88 on: March 17, 2016, 11:22:23 PM »
This could've been a lot worse.
They only went to 3 schools.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2016, 01:48:30 AM »
And then you get the breakdown of the average crowd we have here   ::)
This stuff is hilarious

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #90 on: March 18, 2016, 02:03:56 AM »
Just a thought.

A black guy gets arrested after being accused of burglary, online commenters on the article say that the guy is def. guilty and that blacks are always stealing. Many of you SJW's here would be calling those commenters racist.

Meanwhile, a Jew gets accused of fraud, online commenters say the guy should get thrown in jail for many years, and that Jews are always committing fraud. What's the response?

If I step up and says the commenter is racist or hateful, immediately all the SJW's forget how they would react when the accused was black or any other race. No, Jews are different. Because us Jews experienced a holocaust, and if this racism isn't as bad as the holocaust then you gotta do your duty and shut up. Also, Jews have a higher moral compass, so if a Jew may have done something wrong he deserves more punishment and hate than anyone else from any other race.

So someone explain to me, why the double standard?
Why the thinly veiled racism/self hatred?
before you say another word would you please stop your pathetic invoking of the Holocaust,

 you lose all you're legitimacy when you do that.
 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2016, 07:40:33 AM »
before you say another word would you please stop your pathetic invoking of the Holocaust,

 you lose all you're legitimacy when you do that.
 

He isn't invoking it. He is referring to the people that tend to for the wrong reasons...

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2016, 08:29:36 AM »
Anybody arrested yet? Why not... Why make a huge scene not to take anyone, they could have done it without a scene... Color war breakout?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2016, 08:38:45 AM »
Anybody arrested yet? Why not... Why make a huge scene not to take anyone, they could have done it without a scene... Color war breakout?
shock and awe

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2016, 09:00:31 AM »
I setup a couple of servers for a school that got erate grant. The guys getting the grant are outright scammers. A)The program requires the project to be bid out. It's not. B)The servers that were given to us to install were refurbished out of warranty servers when they should have been top of the line.

The guy would go from school to school and tell them that he can get them new computer equipment, phone system, wiring and it would cost the school nothing. Officially the school needs to pay some but the guy would just give the school a kickback to cover that part. He was making a killing on this.
So call the FBI.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2016, 09:20:57 AM »

What about the non frum? They're ok cause they're not under the radar?
obviously its not good, but it doesnt bother ppl as much ( i think) bc they dont strut around like they are super frum and following halacha, when behind closed doors, they are stealing (which happens to be a halacha too, but thats conveniently the one they dont follow)

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2016, 09:21:11 AM »
Disclaimer: I am in no way implying that there is an increase in fraud amongst chareidim.\

You cannot compare the level of stress and pressure that exists amongst chareidim to earn a living to the rest of society.

In a normal modern Orthodox community, the vast majority are highly educated and have nice paying, salaried jobs. - This situation naturally leads to much less incentive and opportunity to commit fraud.

Amongst chareidim, and especially chassidim, high paying employment is virtually non existent. Everyone needs to hustle to make a living. There is no other choice. This provides additional incentive and opportunity for fraud.


This is known as the fraud triangle.

Fraud has three components:

1)opportunity
2)pressure
3)rationalization


These are arguably more present amongst chareidim. This is not because chareidim are bad or worse, It is just the way of the world.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2016, 09:22:34 AM »
Disclaimer: I am in no way implying that there is an increase in fraud amongst chareidim.\

You cannot compare the level of stress and pressure that exists amongst chareidim to earn a living to the rest of society.

In a normal modern Orthodox community, the vast majority are highly educated and have nice paying, salaried jobs. - This situation naturally leads to much less incentive and opportunity to commit fraud.

Amongst chareidim, and especially chassidim, high paying employment is virtually non existent. Everyone needs to hustle to make a living. There is no other choice. This provides additional incentive and opportunity for fraud.


This is known as the fraud triangle.

Fraud has three components:

1)opportunity
2)pressure
3)rationalization


These are arguably more present amongst chareidim. This is not because chareidim are bad or worse, It is just the way of the world.

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and here i thought i was going to disagree with your post :)
as long you arent implying a justification, but rather a statement of fact, and noting that it is a serious issue, then i am in agreement
otherwise, ya, we disagree

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2016, 09:25:45 AM »
Disclaimer: I am in no way implying that there is an increase in fraud amongst chareidim.\

You cannot compare the level of stress and pressure that exists amongst chareidim to earn a living to the rest of society.

In a normal modern Orthodox community, the vast majority are highly educated and have nice paying, salaried jobs. - This situation naturally leads to much less incentive and opportunity to commit fraud.

Amongst chareidim, and especially chassidim, high paying employment is virtually non existent. Everyone needs to hustle to make a living. There is no other choice. This provides additional incentive and opportunity for fraud.


This is known as the fraud triangle.

Fraud has three components:

1)opportunity
2)pressure
3)rationalization


These are arguably more present amongst chareidim. This is not because chareidim are bad or worse, It is just the way of the world.

כל שאינו מלמד בנו...
I see that you sometimes have difficulty realizing what conversations will be the results of your posts.........
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2016, 09:29:23 AM »
I see that you sometimes have difficulty realizing what conversations will be the results of your posts.........
I'm not sure what your problem is..  You a Philly guy by any chance?

You just seem to be on my case the last few weeks for no reason..