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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #240 on: May 13, 2016, 02:36:14 PM »
Criminal behavior is not determined by one's community - it is determined by the Courts. Fartig.
The courts determination doesn't change the fact of the story, so don't believe something has or hasn't happened based on what the courts determination was.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #241 on: May 13, 2016, 04:22:10 PM »
The courts determination doesn't change the fact of the story, so don't believe something has or hasn't happened based on what the courts determination was.

That's fine, as long as you keep in the other half of your mind that the reality is the Courts do determine right and wrong in this country. If you don't like it leave, but don't imagine that your community can set the standards as long as you're here. Crimes may go unpunished if hidden, but it is still crime. All the tirutzim in the world don't change this one bit. If the facts are wrong then its a different story, but wh3n it comes down to interpreting the facts it doesn't matter what Satmar thinks is normal.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #242 on: May 15, 2016, 01:48:20 AM »
When it comes to sexual abuse many just want to bury their head in the sand and pretend it can't happen in their community.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #243 on: May 15, 2016, 03:39:32 AM »
This video is classic satmar mannerisms.
Any Satmar guys here can verify? I went to a Chasidish cheder and although some rabeim had interesting ways of disciplining THAT never happened.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #244 on: May 15, 2016, 09:31:08 AM »
although some rabeim had interesting ways of disciplining

Reminds me of the line that formed every week by the rabbis desk, for the kids that didn't know the Rashi, we where slapped in the face 2-10 times. And the time I took out of the garbage a paper the rebbi had thrown out ,I was put on his desk, and got 30 slaps in my face.
When my father called the principal to complain he said we should understand him as he's going through hard times in sholom bayis.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #245 on: May 15, 2016, 09:38:31 AM »
Reminds me of the line that formed every week by the rabbis desk, of the kids that didn't know the Rashi, we where slapped in the face 2-10 times. And the time I took out of the garbage a paper the rebbi had thrown out ,I was put on his desk, and got 30 slaps in my face.
When my father called the principal to complain he said we should understand his as he's going through hard time in sholom bayis.
Wow!
Besides for child abuse, Halachically the only time you can slap a child is for his good, for any other reason is an issur De'oraisa.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #246 on: May 15, 2016, 09:55:52 AM »
Reminds me of the line that formed every week by the rabbis desk, for the kids that didn't know the Rashi, we where slapped in the face 2-10 times. And the time I took out of the garbage a paper the rebbi had thrown out ,I was put on his desk, and got 30 slaps in my face.
When my father called the principal to complain he said we should understand him as he's going through hard times in sholom bayis.
Hmm, but you didn't go off the D.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #247 on: May 15, 2016, 10:02:49 AM »
Wow!
Besides for child abuse, Halachically the only time you can slap a child is for his good, for any other reason is an issur De'oraisa.
And who better to know from issur deoraisas then this rabbi?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #248 on: May 15, 2016, 10:16:43 AM »
Hmm, but you didn't go off the D.


maybe he didn't, but this non-Ahavas Yisroel/bullying behavior gives 100's of children many good reasons to dislike Torah, etc...
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #249 on: May 15, 2016, 10:19:13 AM »
Hmm, but you didn't go off the D.


First, how do u know!!!
Second I don't think anyone went otd from this, it was the norm. If someone went otd it was for not getting any purpose and geshmak in Yiddishkayt.

BTW this rabbi told us how bad his rebbi was that he would close a drawer on his fingers ad a punishment.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #250 on: May 15, 2016, 11:45:40 AM »
maybe he didn't, but this non-Ahavas Yisroel/bullying behavior gives 100's of children many good reasons to dislike Torah, etc...
If someone would get badly punished by his teacher in public school for doing bad on his history test he'd be hating the history of the USA??

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #251 on: May 15, 2016, 11:46:57 AM »
If someone would get badly punished by his teacher in public school for doing bad on his history test he'd be hating the history of the USA??
He may hate academics
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #252 on: May 15, 2016, 01:32:21 PM »
If someone would get badly punished by his teacher in public school for doing bad on his history test he'd be hating the history of the USA??
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #253 on: May 15, 2016, 02:09:48 PM »
Subpoena. Big trouble alert.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #254 on: May 15, 2016, 02:12:09 PM »
Subpoena. Big trouble alert.
You think he may be an a sexual abuser?