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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #260 on: May 16, 2016, 01:51:09 AM »
Any Satmar guys here can verify? I went to a Chasidish cheder and although some rabeim had interesting ways of disciplining THAT never happened.
Yup that's exactly the chinuch we got in chassidishe chadorim,
I mean cbc is an expert on satmerer chinuch

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #261 on: September 27, 2016, 02:38:35 PM »
Don't think we need a new thread for today's action so just hopping on to this one.

WTH were these people thinking?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/six-individuals-charged-participating-large-scale-government-benefits-fraud

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #262 on: September 27, 2016, 02:52:39 PM »
WTH were these people thinking?
Free money?
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #263 on: September 27, 2016, 02:56:59 PM »
Free money?
You don't play these games when having 6 digits in assets

They must have put down a really low income to be receiving such high benefits

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #264 on: September 27, 2016, 02:57:37 PM »
Don't think we need a new thread for today's action so just hopping on to this one.

WTH were these people thinking?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/six-individuals-charged-participating-large-scale-government-benefits-fraud

Satmar has a "benefits culture" problem.

(Yes, other sects have this problem too, but doesn't come close to the gravity of the problem that exists in Satmar)

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #265 on: September 27, 2016, 03:01:18 PM »
You don't play these games when having 6 digits in assets

They must have put down a really low income to be receiving such high benefits
6 digits in assets is not a lot.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #266 on: September 27, 2016, 03:06:01 PM »
6 digits in assets is not a lot.
Is a lot to cover up!

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #267 on: September 27, 2016, 03:07:56 PM »
The government benefits system punishes responsible savers. Now income and asset planning is a crime?
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #268 on: September 27, 2016, 03:09:43 PM »
Don't think we need a new thread for today's action so just hopping on to this one.

WTH were these people thinking?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/six-individuals-charged-participating-large-scale-government-benefits-fraud
Just curious; do you have the slightest clue of any of the details of the case that you're asking "What were they thinking"?
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
JTZ

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #269 on: September 27, 2016, 03:11:41 PM »
Is a lot to cover up!
It depends what you, or the bleeding heart Harlem activist state prosecutor; defines as covering up.

One of these days contributing to a 401k is going to be a felony. Minorities often have a lower contribution percentage than whites, so their existence must be racist in nature.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #270 on: September 27, 2016, 03:40:15 PM »
Just curious; do you have the slightest clue of any of the details of the case that you're asking "What were they thinking"?
Did you read the press release?
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #271 on: September 27, 2016, 03:54:56 PM »
Does the gov have automatic access to people's credit card data etc. or do they need a warrant or the like?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #272 on: September 27, 2016, 03:56:50 PM »
Did you read the press release?
Yes
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #273 on: September 27, 2016, 03:59:41 PM »
Does the gov have automatic access to people's credit card data etc. or do they need a warrant or the like?

Definitely need a warrant. 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #274 on: September 27, 2016, 04:01:41 PM »
Yes
Not saying if it is true or not but it is laid out in the press release.

From 2001 to 2016, SHLOMO KUBITSHUK, RACHEL KUBITSHUK, NAFTALI ENGLANDER, and HINDA ENGLANDER conspired and engaged in a scheme to obtain government benefits designed for low-income residents, including Section 8 housing subsidies, Medicaid health insurance, and Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (“SNAP”) food stamps, totaling more than $980,000.  In connection with applications for these benefits, they failed to disclose substantial income and financial assets, including a portfolio of multimillion-dollar residential real estate properties.  The defendants also perpetrated the fraud by providing false income affidavits for each other.

From 2007 to 2016, LEIB TEITELBAUM and DEVORAH TEITELBAUM also conspired and engaged in a scheme to obtain government benefits designed for low-income residents, including Section 8 housing subsidies, Medicaid health insurance, and SNAP food stamps, totaling more than $330,000.  In connection with applications for these benefits, they failed to disclose substantial income and financial assets, including a jewelry business and an apartment they owned.
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #275 on: September 27, 2016, 04:04:50 PM »
Not saying if it is true or not but it is laid out in the press release.

From 2001 to 2016, SHLOMO KUBITSHUK, RACHEL KUBITSHUK, NAFTALI ENGLANDER, and HINDA ENGLANDER conspired and engaged in a scheme to obtain government benefits designed for low-income residents, including Section 8 housing subsidies, Medicaid health insurance, and Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (“SNAP”) food stamps, totaling more than $980,000.  In connection with applications for these benefits, they failed to disclose substantial income and financial assets, including a portfolio of multimillion-dollar residential real estate properties.  The defendants also perpetrated the fraud by providing false income affidavits for each other.

From 2007 to 2016, LEIB TEITELBAUM and DEVORAH TEITELBAUM also conspired and engaged in a scheme to obtain government benefits designed for low-income residents, including Section 8 housing subsidies, Medicaid health insurance, and SNAP food stamps, totaling more than $330,000.  In connection with applications for these benefits, they failed to disclose substantial income and financial assets, including a jewelry business and an apartment they owned.
Not very detailed. People generally don't have an apartment or business legally registered in their name that they just forget to mention.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #276 on: September 27, 2016, 04:06:21 PM »
Not very detailed. People generally don't have an apartment or business legally registered in their name that they just forget to mention.

That's exactly the point, isn't it?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #277 on: September 27, 2016, 04:10:36 PM »
Not very detailed. People generally don't have an apartment or business legally registered in their name that they just forget to mention.
That's exactly the point, isn't it?
We have a winner.
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #278 on: September 27, 2016, 04:14:53 PM »
That's exactly the point, isn't it?
Evidently, the press release leaves much out, as it should. Accepting it at face value would smack of ignorance.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #279 on: September 27, 2016, 04:15:05 PM »
Can we stop making the trial in public here............