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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #300 on: January 12, 2017, 08:27:22 PM »
well its testament to obama, we have come far in race relations.. every one working together

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #301 on: January 12, 2017, 08:55:49 PM »
You can just type into Google national grid investigation.

In a nutshell, national grid employee illegally installing gas meters for $2500 a piece
Does doing it the right way cost more than that ?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #302 on: January 12, 2017, 09:00:33 PM »
You can just type into Google national grid investigation.

In a nutshell, national grid employee illegally installing gas meters for $2500 a piece
Instead of?  How did they make money off of this?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #303 on: January 12, 2017, 09:03:10 PM »
Does doing it the right way cost more than that ?
It was time they where worried about.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #304 on: January 12, 2017, 09:05:24 PM »
It was time they where worried about.
Sounds kinda like the same nonsense that goes on waiting for c of o.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #305 on: January 12, 2017, 09:31:32 PM »
Sounds kinda like the same nonsense that goes on waiting for c of o.
Imagine you couldnt get a gas inspection from the City because of some stupid backlog. You're losing money every day because you cant get tenants into apartments without gas. What would you do? Of course you pay $2500 to get a meter. Its not like there was anything stolen here by the landlords. The shyster national grid guys should have to pay back the money and thats the end of it. Why does this have to result in a criminal prosecution where you waste more city resources. Instead of prosecuting this case and wasting taxpayer money, hire some more inspectors and clear your DOB backlog!!!
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #306 on: January 12, 2017, 09:42:34 PM »
Imagine you couldnt get a gas inspection from the City because of some stupid backlog. You're losing money every day because you cant get tenants into apartments without gas. What would you do? Of course you pay $2500 to get a meter. Its not like there was anything stolen here by the landlords. The shyster national grid guys should have to pay back the money and thats the end of it. Why does this have to result in a criminal prosecution where you waste more city resources. Instead of prosecuting this case and wasting taxpayer money, hire some more inspectors and clear your DOB backlog!!!
Sounds like they were bypassing safety rules & regs. But the waiting is insane. People don't have the money to pay all that extra rent while paying mortgage as well.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #307 on: January 12, 2017, 09:57:55 PM »
Sounds like they were bypassing safety rules & regs. But the waiting is insane. People don't have the money to pay all that extra rent while paying mortgage as well.

If they didn't know the risks of buying/building a building without a rent roll yet, then they should probably find something else to do for a living. Either play by the rules or don't play the game. If you play, but not by the rules and get caught doing so, you better be prepared to pay the price.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #308 on: January 12, 2017, 10:01:19 PM »
If they didn't know the risks of buying/building a building without a rent roll yet, then they should probably find something else to do for a living. Either play by the rules or don't play the game. If you play, but not by the rules and get caught doing so, you better be prepared to pay the price.
1000%. But it's high time for the city go after these agencies as well.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #309 on: January 12, 2017, 10:05:13 PM »
1000%. But it's high time for the city go after these agencies as well.

High time isn't a strong enough phrase. It's not even borderline criminal what these agencies do. It's a legitimate crime. They use their monopoly on public utility to screw customers without giving a damn. There are absolutely no checks and balances on this. I almost can't blame these guys for what they did...

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #310 on: January 12, 2017, 10:16:13 PM »
If they didn't know the risks of buying/building a building without a rent roll yet, then they should probably find something else to do for a living. Either play by the rules or don't play the game. If you play, but not by the rules and get caught doing so, you better be prepared to pay the price.

High time isn't a strong enough phrase. It's not even borderline criminal what these agencies do. It's a legitimate crime. They use their monopoly on public utility to screw customers without giving a damn. There are absolutely no checks and balances on this. I almost can't blame these guys for what they did...

Which one is it? Make up your mind. Did they take the risk or is the city screwing them?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #311 on: January 12, 2017, 10:17:10 PM »
High time isn't a strong enough phrase. It's not even borderline criminal what these agencies do. It's a legitimate crime. They use their monopoly on public utility to screw customers without giving a damn. There are absolutely no checks and balances on this. I almost can't blame these guys for what they did...
as do most govt agencies

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #312 on: January 12, 2017, 10:18:20 PM »
Is it better than those who brings building inspectors?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #313 on: January 12, 2017, 10:24:36 PM »
Is it better than those who brings building inspectors?
I suppose you mean bribe. If the bribe is just to get the darn thing done instead of waiting and waiting its better than if its to look the other way on something thats not up to snuff.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #314 on: January 12, 2017, 10:25:50 PM »
I suppose you mean bribe. If the bribe is just to get the darn thing done instead of waiting and waiting its better than if its to look the other way on something thats not up to snuff.
Once the bribe is done it will always end up being both
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #315 on: January 12, 2017, 10:32:22 PM »
Is it better than those who brings building inspectors?

inspectors is a serious issue, bec if the building is faulty, then it could be a matter of life or death. Those should always be 100%.

With the national Grid, however, when one tenant leaves, it can be 2-3 weeks without hot water and showers. The meter is just a matter of turning it on or off. Not a safety issue. It's a financial issue of transition from one lease to another. It's just a matter of time and gov't delays.

 (This happened to my Bklyn friends who moved there in September!) National grid made them wait 3 weeks until they processed the new lease agreement into their files. Anyone should be able to pay upfront for gas and utilities and get it the next day.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #316 on: January 12, 2017, 10:34:43 PM »
inspectors is a serious issue, bec if the building is faulty, then it could be a matter of life or death. Those should always be 100%.

With the national Grid, however, when one tenant leaves, it can be 2-3 weeks without hot water and showers. The meter is just a matter of turning it on or off. Not a safety issue. It's a financial issue of transition from one lease to another. It's just a matter of time and gov't delays.

 (This happened to my Bklyn friends who moved there in September!) National grid made them wait 3 weeks until they processed the new lease agreement into their files. Anyone should be able to pay upfront for gas and utilities and get it the next day.
This was about meter inspections.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #317 on: January 12, 2017, 10:37:31 PM »
This was about meter inspections.

this link explains that they were able to unlock gas access to those who were shut down: http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=43840&alias=jews-arrested-in-gas-bribery-case

Quote: "They paid Findlay to illegally unlock meters at locations where National Grid had terminated service. This would allow the residences to receive gas temporarily, at least until National Grid noticed the increase in gas usage and sent a technician to lock the line again."
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #318 on: January 12, 2017, 10:57:00 PM »
Which one is it? Make up your mind. Did they take the risk or is the city screwing them?

Why are those mutually exclusive? The city is screwing them and everyone who is in their line of business. Be that as it may, that doesn't give them the right to skirt the law.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #319 on: January 12, 2017, 11:08:49 PM »
You have to stay away from gas in NYC, period. National grid's wait time is a joke compared to con ed. Con edison you can be waiting for months. no joke