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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #320 on: January 12, 2017, 11:12:52 PM »
You have to stay away from gas in NYC, period. National grid's wait time is a joke compared to con ed. Con edison you can be waiting for months. no joke
But their prices are very low compares to any other option
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #321 on: January 12, 2017, 11:15:09 PM »
But their prices are very low compares to any other option
convert to electric (assuming tenant pays electric), all standard leases should included gas/electric riders. 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #322 on: January 12, 2017, 11:17:59 PM »
convert to electric (assuming tenant pays electric), all standard leases should included gas/electric riders.
True that
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #323 on: January 12, 2017, 11:44:20 PM »
This is key:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/nyregion/brooklyn-utility-national-grid-meter-scheme.html

"Inspectors with National Grid and the city’s Buildings Department checked the 33 locations involved in the investigation and concluded that the public’s safety was not at risk."

Basically all they did was try to expedite the criminally negligent city bureaucracy.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #324 on: January 13, 2017, 12:51:10 AM »
this link explains that they were able to unlock gas access to those who were shut down: http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=43840&alias=jews-arrested-in-gas-bribery-case

Quote: "They paid Findlay to illegally unlock meters at locations where National Grid had terminated service. This would allow the residences to receive gas temporarily, at least until National Grid noticed the increase in gas usage and sent a technician to lock the line again."
There's an old European fellow in my neighborhood, probably in his 90s. Word has it that he made a living from this sort of thing. For a few thousand dollars he would turn on people's water that had been shut off.

But the best part is his method: he had a truck with a hole in the bottom. He'd park on top of the manhole, open it, and lower himself into it to access the water. When he was done, he'd simply drive away.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #325 on: January 13, 2017, 01:05:13 AM »
well its testament to obama, we have come far in race relations.. every one working together
LOL
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #326 on: January 13, 2017, 06:47:52 AM »
Does doing it the right way cost more than that ?
Like everything involving real estate inspections in NYC, it costs weeks or months, and the inspection agency's are criminally understaffed.

If they didn't know the risks of buying/building a building without a rent roll yet, then they should probably find something else to do for a living
It's also by renovation empty units...
So you put in all this money into improving a unit, and now you are on the hook for 2 more months of mortgage payments while the "paint drys" because the city can't get their act together...

You would think that HPD et al. would be making enough money from violations and inspections to be properly staffed, but the city just treats landlords as Piñatas, because it's NYC and they can get away with it.

This is Key:
Exactly. It's (usually) not about bypassing public safety rules, just the people implementing them.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2017, 06:51:28 AM by Zalc »

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #327 on: January 13, 2017, 07:37:34 AM »
Imagine you couldnt get a gas inspection from the City because of some stupid backlog. You're losing money every day because you cant get tenants into apartments without gas. What would you do? Of course you pay $2500 to get a meter. Its not like there was anything stolen here by the landlords. The shyster national grid guys should have to pay back the money and thats the end of it. Why does this have to result in a criminal prosecution where you waste more city resources. Instead of prosecuting this case and wasting taxpayer money, hire some more inspectors and clear your DOB backlog!!!
How long is the waiting list typically ?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #328 on: January 13, 2017, 09:22:58 AM »
How long is the waiting list typically ?
A few months.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #329 on: January 13, 2017, 09:39:30 AM »
I'm not in this field, so could be I'm wrong, but I think NatGrid gives you a wait period of a few months, nothing to do with the DOB

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #330 on: January 13, 2017, 11:31:00 AM »
this link explains that they were able to unlock gas access to those who were shut down: http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=43840&alias=jews-arrested-in-gas-bribery-case

Quote: "They paid Findlay to illegally unlock meters at locations where National Grid had terminated service. This would allow the residences to receive gas temporarily, at least until National Grid noticed the increase in gas usage and sent a technician to lock the line again."

The other articles say they were installing meters, which sounds a lot riskier than just unlocking meters.

This is key:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/nyregion/brooklyn-utility-national-grid-meter-scheme.html

"Inspectors with National Grid and the city’s Buildings Department checked the 33 locations involved in the investigation and concluded that the public’s safety was not at risk."

Basically all they did was try to expedite the criminally negligent city bureaucracy.

Yes they ended up being safe, but would you be happy if you found out that your meter was installed by some random ex-employee looking to make a buck? I know it would worry me, after hearing stories about buildings exploding from dubious installations. That's a breach of their tenants trust. So while I don't think they shouldn't get the book thrown at them, it's not like they did nothing wrong.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #331 on: January 13, 2017, 12:00:27 PM »
The other articles say they were installing meters, which sounds a lot riskier than just unlocking meters.

Yes they ended up being safe, but would you be happy if you found out that your meter was installed by some random ex-employee looking to make a buck? I know it would worry me, after hearing stories about buildings exploding from dubious installations. That's a breach of their tenants trust. So while I don't think they shouldn't get the book thrown at them, it's not like they did nothing wrong.
Do you feel safe when some random employee installs your meter?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #332 on: January 13, 2017, 12:09:01 PM »
Do you feel safe when some random employee installs your meter?

Yes I do, and I fully consent to it.
It's not the landlords rigt to choose an alternative option which is occasionally unsafe.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #333 on: January 13, 2017, 04:07:22 PM »
This has nothing to do with unsafe installations, not was anyone getting gas for free. All is that the long long process was cut. Don't think you will hear of buildings exploding from this

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #334 on: January 13, 2017, 04:20:56 PM »
This has nothing to do with unsafe installations, not was anyone getting gas for free. All is that the long long process was cut. Don't think you will hear of buildings exploding from this

2 wrongs don't make a right.
A landlord has no right to gamble with his tenants safety.
If I was a tenant I'd be furious.   

Imagine one of your relatives/friends who had a successful surgery, finds out later that the doctor was unlicensed. You'd be pissed no mater the outcome.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #335 on: January 13, 2017, 04:29:54 PM »
2 wrongs don't make a right.
A landlord has no right to gamble with his tenants safety.
If I was a tenant I'd be furious.   

Imagine one of your relatives/friends who had a successful surgery, finds out later that the doctor was unlicensed. You'd be pissed no mater the outcome.
Again, I don't think this work was done by unlicenced worker, what I believe (could be I'm wrong) is that you were moved up the "waiting list"

FTR this story below had nothing to do with what happened, just trying to point out how NatGrid operates
I have a family member who had an appointment to get gas in a new building, when they came there was some issue (don't remember exactly, not sure even if it was directly with the gas) but the next time they gave an appointment was 3-4 months later

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #336 on: January 13, 2017, 04:32:19 PM »
Given the fact that all the lower bracket here (the bottom of the chart) were all released on little or no bail at all shows the "severity" or thier "crime"

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #337 on: January 14, 2017, 06:39:59 PM »
Given the fact that all the lower bracket here (the bottom of the chart) were all released on little or no bail at all shows the "severity" or thier "crime"
The one paying the bribe is always a lower level than the one taking it.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #338 on: January 14, 2017, 06:48:02 PM »
Again, I don't think this work was done by unlicenced worker, what I believe (could be I'm wrong) is that you were moved up the "waiting list"


From the article I read it seems that the meters were installed without the pipes being inspected.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #339 on: January 14, 2017, 07:49:25 PM »
From the article I read it seems that the meters were installed without the pipes being inspected.
That's part of the lukshen they have to tell the press so people should believe that the police are the good boys. At least someone is clearly falling for it.