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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #380 on: June 26, 2017, 11:33:04 AM »
It sounds like they got it from the schools. CMIIW

I heard a rumor about a school getting raided, but I don't think that's what happened.
According to the FBI complaint, a business they owned was paying out their tuition, and it's easy to get the bank statements.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #381 on: June 26, 2017, 11:36:49 AM »
No need to post article. For those that needed details Google is available.
Weren't you the one obsessed with not sweeping drugs/suicides under the rug?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #382 on: June 26, 2017, 01:21:31 PM »
Weren't you the one obsessed with not sweeping drugs/suicides under the rug?
What does that have to do with anything? Its lashon hara or rechilus to post this article. Its the same to post specific information about drug overdoses and suicides. It was sufficient to post what was posted and if one wanted to search, as I did, the information was readily available. Im sorry you cant distinguish the two. Its not even a nuanced difference.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #383 on: June 26, 2017, 01:32:44 PM »
Why are they looking at private school tuition records ?

I think that they aren't stupid.... That's why....

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #384 on: June 26, 2017, 01:34:02 PM »
You can argue that this isn't even LH... vd"l
The LH is that they were caught.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #385 on: June 26, 2017, 01:36:24 PM »
I think that they aren't stupid.... That's why....
They can't just raid a school & walk off with their computers to check if X might have committed a crime. They had to have come upon it while investigating a crime.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #386 on: June 26, 2017, 01:38:25 PM »
They can't just raid a school & walk off with their computers to check if X might have committed a crime. They had to have come upon it while investigating a crime.

Or they suspected it and came up with some PC to obtain a warrant.  I'd be shocked if they didn't look into it.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #387 on: June 26, 2017, 01:41:29 PM »
They can't just raid a school & walk off with their computers to check if X might have committed a crime. They had to have come upon it while investigating a crime.
They can subpoena anywhere subject to court approval IINM
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #388 on: June 26, 2017, 01:42:25 PM »
Or they suspected it and came up with some PC to obtain a warrant.  I'd be shocked if they didn't look into it.
What yuneeq said makes the most sense.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #389 on: June 26, 2017, 01:43:48 PM »
What yuneeq said makes the most sense.

Schools don't just get raided.  A warrant would be needed regardless.  Whether the school was raided because of the investigation into the fraud or some other independent matter is pretty much irrelevant. 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #390 on: June 26, 2017, 01:45:37 PM »
it seems that they visit every community. What's next? Brooklyn?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #391 on: June 26, 2017, 01:47:06 PM »
Schools don't just get raided.  A warrant would be needed regardless.  Whether the school was raided because of the investigation into the fraud or some other independent matter is pretty much irrelevant.
Im not so sure they would just get a warrant approved because X happens to send his kids there.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #392 on: June 26, 2017, 01:50:17 PM »
Im not so sure they would just get a warrant approved because X happens to send his kids there.

I don't think it's very hard to get a warrant.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #393 on: June 26, 2017, 01:50:28 PM »
isn't it nice of the feds that they got a female agent escorting the ladies and men for the men? A medinah shel chesed

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #394 on: June 26, 2017, 01:53:58 PM »
I don't think it's very hard to get a warrant.
Its not. Just a better reason is kinda needed.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #395 on: June 26, 2017, 01:58:50 PM »
Schools don't just get raided.  A warrant would be needed regardless.  Whether the school was raided because of the investigation into the fraud or some other independent matter is pretty much irrelevant.

That is not what I said.
I said it was very easy for the feds to look at the business bank statements that show payments to the school.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #396 on: June 26, 2017, 02:02:49 PM »
Already nearly 70k views of each of the public FBI complaints.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #397 on: June 26, 2017, 02:08:39 PM »
That is not what I said.
I said it was very easy for the feds to look at the business bank statements that show payments to the school.

I wasn't disagreeing, I was responding to TimT.

And probable cause is a very low bar so warrants are pretty easy to obtain.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #398 on: June 26, 2017, 02:08:52 PM »
Its not. Just a better reason is kinda needed.
It is called a subpoena. Not difficult at all. Once there is probably cause against the defendant they can get what they need for the investigation. Similar to when they subpoena IPs from google.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #399 on: June 26, 2017, 08:19:59 PM »
weren't some schools raided upthread for other violations? are these schools not the same ones?