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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #495 on: June 28, 2017, 10:00:13 AM »
At least some of these families have special needs children. Is this what they were after?
Seriously? Should they have skipped over that arrest to the next guy who has all healthy 'average' children?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #496 on: June 28, 2017, 10:01:51 AM »
-1 the state paid out the money.
Why? Doesn't the insurance company pay the claims and the state pay the premiums?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #497 on: June 28, 2017, 10:02:45 AM »
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #498 on: June 28, 2017, 10:03:42 AM »
I see there are a lot of very righteous members of DDF.

Life is not binary. Life is not black and white. The vast majority of people who apply for benefits while earning more than allowable are doing so because they are desperate. They earn too much to be eligible for benefits, and at the same time do not earn enough to survive. DH, whether you like it or not, said it exactly right. Maybe he shouldn't have aired the dirty laundry of the community, but what he said is true.

I'm curious how many people here that פארקויפן זייער מיילס report it as income. I'm curious how many people here ליגענען וועגן זייער פרנסה to get approved for credit cards.

I'm not G-D forbid saying it's justified. It's not. But those who live in a glass house...
Best post of this thread!!
All the self righteous ones should very care full.  Hard to find someone that does everything by the book.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #499 on: June 28, 2017, 10:07:09 AM »
If you want to get upset at self righteous people aim it at this guy. http://forward.com/scribe/375728/in-lakewood-sometimes-corruption-and-greed-get-in-the-way-of-the-torah/
I think it behooves us to be עמדו ולקחו מוסר, not to kler if those arrested are evil, or if Lakewood is worse than Newark. All that doesn't really matter at all.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #500 on: June 28, 2017, 10:07:26 AM »
Selling miles may not necessarily be a taxable event. The IRS has been dealing with this for years and so far earning miles for a cc sign up is nontaxable, so if you are selling nontaxable miles in exchange for cash one can argue it is just an exchange in kind and would not trigger any taxes.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #501 on: June 28, 2017, 10:15:44 AM »
I see there are a lot of very righteous members of DDF.

Life is not binary. Life is not black and white. The vast majority of people who apply for benefits while earning more than allowable are doing so because they are desperate. They earn too much to be eligible for benefits, and at the same time do not earn enough to survive. DH, whether you like it or not, said it exactly right. Maybe he shouldn't have aired the dirty laundry of the community, but what he said is true.

I'm curious how many people here that פארקויפן זייער מיילס report it as income. I'm curious how many people here ליגענען וועגן זייער פרנסה to get approved for credit cards.

I'm not G-D forbid saying it's justified. It's not. But those who live in a glass house...

The complaint says the [deleted], who earned approximately $1.8 million in 2013, exploited $178,000 from Medicaid, Section 8 housing and SNAP food benefits.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #502 on: June 28, 2017, 10:18:07 AM »
The complaint says the [deleted], who earned approximately $1.8 million in 2013, exploited $178,000 from Medicaid, Section 8 housing and SNAP food benefits.
some of the things they count as income are ridiculous (money from cashing out a refi?)
and what they count as benefits is worse (hospital bills that medicaid paid for, that would have been coverage by any insurance)

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #503 on: June 28, 2017, 10:23:08 AM »
some of the things they count as income are ridiculous (money from cashing out a refi?)
and what they count as benefits is worse (hospital bills that medicaid paid for, that would have been coverage by any insurance)

Good point. I doubt they used IRS rules in determining taxable income.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #504 on: June 28, 2017, 10:24:42 AM »
You guys are to funny. This is very simple. They got caught. If you cant do the time then don't do the crime.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #505 on: June 28, 2017, 10:26:08 AM »


some of the things they count as income are ridiculous (money from cashing out a refi?)
and what they count as benefits is worse (hospital bills that medicaid paid for, that would have been coverage by any insurance)

Why is cashing out a refi not income? Why is having medicaid paying a bill for you illegitimately not a benefit?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #506 on: June 28, 2017, 10:26:33 AM »
Good point. I doubt they used IRS rules in determining taxable income.
+1. Every program has different criteria for what needs to be included in reporting income. The FBI is not as knowledgeable and judicious as people think.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #507 on: June 28, 2017, 10:27:33 AM »
+1. Every program has different criteria for what needs to be included in reporting income. The FBI is not as knowledgeable and judicious as people think.

Simple example. You sell your house for $700k and FBI says you made $700k+ in 2017.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #508 on: June 28, 2017, 10:28:59 AM »
iv'e been doing working with lower income people for 20 years and have never seen this once in lakewood (splitting the household claiming two sets of programs)
Maybe i'm naive, or just blind
I see it in Newark, Camden, Jersey City and NYC everyday
and frankly i think the commentators in the APP and the like are trying to perpetuate this blood libel
Not sure what you are saying... are you saying you don't think this is happening? The stats in the App article are evidence that this is happening. The median income in lakewood is 1/3rd that of a neighboring town with similar property values. Which means they are reporting much less income than the neighboring town while living in the same kinds of houses. It is pretty clear that this is happening on a large scale. No other way to explain it. Folks living in houses valued over 500k and are signed up for benefits designed for the destitute. I just thought they were acting legally (not addressing whether or not it is morally reprehensible). I guess we'll find out how they fare in court but seems like no.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #509 on: June 28, 2017, 10:31:48 AM »
Property values are not a good way to judge this. In the non-Jewish world neighborhoods consist of similar income families. Not so in frum communiteis. You have bungalows next door to mansions, which raise everyone's property values.