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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #620 on: June 28, 2017, 03:59:06 PM »
If we are going to bring up the mentality behind someone doing something you don't think that was a fair question.
nope

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #621 on: June 28, 2017, 03:59:27 PM »
Right out of school assuming a year or 2 of kollel, 3 years of school you can have 2 kids already and between student loans and general living expenses, you would be surprised. I can send you my budget and let me know where I should cut down.

Yes, please send it over and we can go Dave Ramsey all over it.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #622 on: June 28, 2017, 04:05:26 PM »
Like black kids that have only know poverty their whole life?
Wasn't the whole purpose of these programs to get them out of that?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #623 on: June 28, 2017, 04:06:36 PM »
Like black kids that have only know poverty their whole life?
Aren't you 2 days early for a comment like that

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #624 on: June 28, 2017, 04:14:36 PM »
Wasn't the whole purpose of these programs to get them out of that?
Shhhh. Let's not tell the truth. It's actually called buying votes, but we make it sound benevolent. Just like the 25 MPH speed limit on Ocean Parkway and other major traffic arteries, it's designed to fund an agenda without "raising taxes", but they make it sound like it's about saving lives.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #625 on: June 28, 2017, 04:14:37 PM »
I once spoke with R Meir Stern about how to deal with the issue that even though I was making ends meet at the time, at the then current trajectory I wouldn't once all of my kids born at the time reached school age. He answered me that "Right now you will be needing to pay their tuitions is a few years" Realizing that is not tachkor achar asidos but it is right now that these are expense I would have down the road. To not calculate accordingly is foolish and not emuna ubitachon.

This really obvious but a big portion of how people get trapped.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #626 on: June 28, 2017, 04:16:40 PM »
I once spoke with R Meir Stern about how to deal with the issue that even though I was making ends meet at the time, at the then current trajectory I wouldn't once all of my kids born at the time reached school age. He answered me that "Right now you will be needing to pay their tuitions in a few years" Realizing that is not tachkor achar asidos but it is right now that these are expense I would have down the road. To not calculate accordingly is foolish and not emuna ubitachon.

This really obvious but a big portion of how people get trapped.
Thank you. Would be very helpful if all Rosh Yeshivas were more like him.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #627 on: June 28, 2017, 04:21:42 PM »
I once spoke with R Meir Stern about how to deal with the issue that even though I was making ends meet at the time, at the then current trajectory I wouldn't once all of my kids born at the time reached school age. He answered me that "Right now you will be needing to pay their tuitions is a few years" Realizing that is not tachkor achar asidos but it is right now that these are expense I would have down the road. To not calculate accordingly is foolish and not emuna ubitachon.

This really obvious but a big portion of how people get trapped.
And the practical solution was?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #628 on: June 28, 2017, 04:27:44 PM »
And the practical solution was?
That was personal to me and my situation at the time, but I was in full time kollel for ten more years after that conversation.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #629 on: June 28, 2017, 04:28:31 PM »
Thank you. Would be very helpful if all Rosh Yeshivas were more like him.
CMIIW, but I believe R' Meir Stern is opposed to the whole "programs for a living" concept. I've heard members of his kollel have restrictions on signing up for various programs. 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #630 on: June 28, 2017, 04:28:38 PM »
And the practical solution was?

BC.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #631 on: June 28, 2017, 04:31:00 PM »
BC.
That was not part of the conversation
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #632 on: June 28, 2017, 04:31:31 PM »
That was not part of the conversation

Then what was the point of your post?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #633 on: June 28, 2017, 04:32:38 PM »
Less section 8/food stamps/medicaid to subsidize it?
Think it will change with the vouchers?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #634 on: June 28, 2017, 04:39:17 PM »
Think it will change with the vouchers?
Section 8/food stamps/medicaid are blue programs. This is a pink state, so not likely to expand.
Vouchers are a red program. We'll see what happens to that if there is a blue 2018 like 2008.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #635 on: June 28, 2017, 04:44:32 PM »
Yes, please send it over and we can go Dave Ramsey all over it.
See attached, keep in mind this is after taxes are paid and health insurance takes over 800 a month out of my paycheck and a 4000 deductible so I am still paying every visit. PM me if you have any good ideas, for some expenses I took the prior year's actuals and took the average. My average tax rate the last few years was ~14%
Trust me I Dave Ramsey it every month (I make him look easy) but my wife vetos almost every cut  ;) When you are married there is more than one point of view...
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #636 on: June 28, 2017, 04:45:18 PM »
Section 8/food stamps/medicaid are blue programs. This is a pink state, so not likely to expand.
Vouchers are a red program. We'll see what happens to that if there is a blue 2018 like 2008.
Vouchers will eventually become income based. Even trumps voucher plan is income based.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #637 on: June 28, 2017, 04:49:49 PM »
Vouchers will eventually become income based.
What does that have to do with the OH program?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #638 on: June 28, 2017, 04:51:40 PM »
there should be a limit for anyone learning in kollel. 2 years i say. anyone that wants to learn past that needs to get permission from the rosh yeshivas. its unsustainable to learn for 5-7 years and then start working with 3-4 kids. 35k starting salary wont cut it.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #639 on: June 28, 2017, 04:59:11 PM »
there should be a limit for anyone learning in kollel. 2 years i say. anyone that wants to learn past that needs to get permission from the rosh yeshivas. its unsustainable to learn for 5-7 years and then start working with 3-4 kids. 35k starting salary wont cut it.
Its been successfully done.
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