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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #700 on: June 29, 2017, 09:34:45 AM »
That can't be answered without knowing what the average parent actually pays and how the school chooses to spend its money.
And raising tuition would help that how?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #701 on: June 29, 2017, 09:35:01 AM »
I guess 12k per child per year is too low? That's what tuition in many schools is and the rabbeim still don't make a living wage
+1 I say there should be a policy, anyone getting a tuition break has to give their tzedakah money to the school and not to the flashy tzedakahs orgs.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #702 on: June 29, 2017, 09:35:44 AM »
That can't be answered without knowing what the average parent actually pays and how the school chooses to spend its money.

Part of the problem is that schools (read: administrators) choose how to spend the money with very little transparency or oversight...
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #703 on: June 29, 2017, 09:37:15 AM »
+1 I say there should be a policy, anyone getting a tuition break has to give their tzedakah money to the school and not to the flashy tzedakahs orgs.

How about: if you get a break you still owe the rest to be paid later (at death if necessary).

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #704 on: June 29, 2017, 09:37:28 AM »
What is the average tuition grades K-8 and 9-12?
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FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #705 on: June 29, 2017, 09:37:34 AM »
Part of the problem is that schools (read: administrators) choose how to spend the money with very little transparency or oversight...

Bingo.  The reason why they don't file a 990.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #706 on: June 29, 2017, 09:40:43 AM »
What is the average tuition grades K-8 and 9-12?
Varies by location and type of school. Outside of lakewood and Brooklyn, its about 12.5k-25k for elementary school. The more rightwing schools are on the lower end of that spectrum. For highschool you can add another 5k or so.
I can send you a link to a google doc with tuitions for over 150 schools.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #707 on: June 29, 2017, 09:41:37 AM »
How about: if you get a break you still owe the rest to be paid later (at death if necessary).
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #709 on: June 29, 2017, 09:57:35 AM »
+1 I say there should be a policy, anyone getting a tuition break has to give their tzedakah money to the school and not to the flashy tzedakahs orgs.
not a bad idea at all
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #710 on: June 29, 2017, 09:58:46 AM »
Part of the problem is that schools (read: administrators) choose how to spend the money with very little transparency or oversight...
school that I work for that definitely is not true. But perhaps other places
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #711 on: June 29, 2017, 10:06:08 AM »
Varies by location and type of school. Outside of lakewood and Brooklyn, its about 12.5k-25k for elementary school. The more rightwing schools are on the lower end of that spectrum. For highschool you can add another 5k or so.
I can send you a link to a google doc with tuitions for over 150 schools.
Would it be fair to say it costs more than public schools?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #712 on: June 29, 2017, 10:06:59 AM »
Would it be fair to say it costs more than public schools?


That's a tough one.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #713 on: June 29, 2017, 10:08:00 AM »
Would it be fair to say it costs more than public schools?
Per parent? Of course.
To run? Not at all.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #714 on: June 29, 2017, 10:10:01 AM »
Would it be fair to say it costs more than public schools?

Each district is different.  Some public school systems spend 15k or more per student.  The cost is just spread over a wider paying base. 

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #715 on: June 29, 2017, 10:10:27 AM »

That's a tough one.
For my kids K-8 private was cheaper. That would be expect as teachers make less and the parish subsidies the school. For 9-12 it was about the same but a way better education.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #716 on: June 29, 2017, 10:11:07 AM »
Would it be fair to say it costs more than public schools?
To run, It shouldn't. the schools that are in the 12k range dont provide nearly as much services, facilities nor extracurriculars as P.S.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #717 on: June 29, 2017, 10:12:12 AM »
Per parent? Of course.
To run? Not at all.
Then where is the money going?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #718 on: June 29, 2017, 10:13:05 AM »
To run, It shouldn't. the schools that are in the 12k range dont provide nearly as much services, facilities nor extracurriculars as P.S.
I agree so:
Then where is the money going?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #719 on: June 29, 2017, 10:15:33 AM »
Then were is the money going?
It's not. If a Lakewood school charges 15K per person, they can assume an average of less than half that.
Yes, if the government for some strange reason decided to give the schools the exact amount they spent per public school child to private schools also then there would be a large excess.