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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #740 on: June 29, 2017, 10:38:56 AM »
You can't expect to understand with just the questions you are asking.

It's supply and demand.  Not hard to understand.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #741 on: June 29, 2017, 10:40:39 AM »
...the full paying tuition is inflated to cover the cost of the people who don't pay.
BIG mistake!!!
That's why I get so mad at people who can pay full tuition but think it's a metziah to get a break (cash paying/off the books jobs etc). They even boast about it! They are literally stealing from me (as I pay full tuition).

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #742 on: June 29, 2017, 10:42:22 AM »
...the full paying tuition is inflated to cover the cost of the people who don't pay. That's why I get so mad at people who can pay full tuition but think it's a metziah to get a break (cash paying/off the books jobs etc). They even boast about it! They are literally stealing from me (as I pay full tuition).

Exactly, you should be mad.  But you don't do anything about it so the suckers keep paying...

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #743 on: June 29, 2017, 10:44:10 AM »
BIG mistake!!!
Some schools claim that their full tuition is only to cover the cost of your own child. I call b.s.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #744 on: June 29, 2017, 10:46:18 AM »
It's supply and demand.  Not hard to understand.
So the reason that an ultra Orthodox school will sometimes take kids below the actual cost for them is because of supply and demand?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #745 on: June 29, 2017, 10:50:40 AM »
Some schools claim that their full tuition is only to cover the cost of your own child. I call b.s.

depends what that full tuition amount is. If it's $10K, then it's the actual cost of educating the child plus the mortgage and costs for the building/utilities. The families who pay $1k-$2K per child have their scholarships fill in the rest from school fundraisers and some school grants. The schools who don't have enough $10K paying students don't pay their teachers well in most cases, and then in turn there is no health coverage for the teachers, either. Hence the huge problem.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #746 on: June 29, 2017, 10:51:33 AM »
So the reason that an ultra Orthodox school will sometimes take kids below the actual cost for them is because of supply and demand?

Modern Orthodox schools do that too, btw.  But the reason the price is so high is supply and demand.  The full price buyers tolerate the inflated pricing.  If they were to walk (the demand decrease), the price would have to go down. 



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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #747 on: June 29, 2017, 10:52:26 AM »
You can't expect to understand with just the questions you are asking.
So let me ask this. For K-8 which teachers are paid more? How about extra activities (sports, clubs and other things) that are offered? How about special ed programs that are offered? I get the sense that the answer to all these question is "public schools". Right or wrong?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #748 on: June 29, 2017, 10:54:48 AM »


Modern Orthodox schools do that too, btw.  But the reason the price is so high is supply and demand.  The full price buyers tolerate the inflated pricing.  If they were to walk (the demand decrease), the price would have to go down.

Not nearly as common. I have a relative that was kicked out of a school in FL when she couldn't pay the amount asked. They treat it as a for profit and not a not for profit. Not sure if that's a problem or not.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #749 on: June 29, 2017, 10:55:05 AM »
So let me ask this. For K-8 which teachers are paid more? How about extra activities (sports, clubs and other things) that are offered? How about special ed programs that are offered? I get the sense that the answer to all these question is "public schools". Right or wrong?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #750 on: June 29, 2017, 10:56:56 AM »
So let me ask this. For K-8 which teachers are paid more? How about extra activities (sports, clubs and other things) that are offered? How about special ed programs that are offered? I get the sense that the answer to all these question is "public schools". Right or wrong?

Not sure exact rates but the teachers salaries are not as good as PS. Regarding those other programs, I've had them all, not sure the question though.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #751 on: June 29, 2017, 10:57:20 AM »

Not nearly as common. I have a relative that was kicked out of a school in FL when she couldn't pay the amount asked. They treat it as a for profit and not a not for profit. Not sure if that's a problem or not.

I've literally never heard of that happening so either there's more to the story or that's an outlier.   Although it would be nice if the school my kids attend would act more like a for profit.  But that's a separate discussion...

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #752 on: June 29, 2017, 10:58:46 AM »
I've literally never heard of that happening so either there's more to the story or that's an outlier.   Although it would be nice if the school my kids attend would act more like a for profit.  But that's a separate discussion...
Probably an outlier. There is no more to the story, although it may not be a "classic Jewish school".

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #753 on: June 29, 2017, 11:02:51 AM »
Not sure exact rates but the teachers salaries are not as good as PS. Regarding those other programs, I've had them all, not sure the question though.
In our area for K-8 public school teachers make way more and the schools offer way more outside activities. If my school charged me more than what it cost a public school per child I would go ballistic.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #754 on: June 29, 2017, 11:02:55 AM »
The schools finances should be posted online and the tuition should be based on last years expenses. each year the price would fluctuate.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #755 on: June 29, 2017, 11:06:00 AM »
The schools finances should be posted online and the tuition should be based on last years expenses. each year the price would fluctuate.
I don't agree. But it that's the deciding factor in paying full most schools will break it down for you.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #756 on: June 29, 2017, 11:07:31 AM »
I don't agree. But it that's the deciding factor in paying full most schools will break it down for you.
No way! At least in LW 90% of schools are private enterprises. They would never open their books.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #757 on: June 29, 2017, 11:09:08 AM »


If my school charged me more than what it cost a public school per child I would go ballistic.
Do you go ballistic that some/most of your taxes go to benefit other?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #758 on: June 29, 2017, 11:09:37 AM »
No way! At least in LW 90% of schools are private enterprises. They would never open their books.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes and Businesses in Monsey and KJ
« Reply #759 on: June 29, 2017, 11:20:15 AM »
It is definitely a responsibility of the tzibur to ensure that rabbeim get a living wage.

Rabbeim don't get a living wage, but by the same token, their job doesn't utilize their full working potential. Working men can put in far more hours and far more days into earning a living than that. And if that was how schools were organized, the money used to pay other people could augment rabbeim's salaries and get them employee benefits.

Ever heard of a school downsizing?
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