FBI Raids Orthodox Homes

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Do you go ballistic that some/most of your taxes go to benefit other?

I am not happy about it.

[aygart]

Rabbeim don't get a living wage, but by the same token, their job doesn't utilize their full working potential. Working men can put in far more hours and far more days into earning a living than that. And if that was how schools were organized, the money used to pay other people could augment rabbeim's salaries and get them employee benefits.

Ever heard of a school downsizing?

If they take an afternoon job they still won't have a living wage.

[jackofall]

Try it. I did.

You got a private school to open their books so you should pay full tuition? I have a hard believing that would work for a majority of the local schools.

[Emkay]

You got a private school to open their books so you should pay full tuition? I have a hard believing that would work for a majority of the local schools.

Yes, a smaller school though. Not one if the larger ones. And I don't mean for full scrutinization, I mean a breakdown of where money is going.

[chaimmayer]

I once heard in a shiur from Rav Herschel Schachter that when he sent his kids to Breuer'S he was told that the tuition actualy costs $1000 more than the cost of educating his child so therefore that amount could come from מעשר כספים. 
I was surprised because I know the school my kids go to where most people do not pay full tuition so they have to do a ton of fundraising the actual tuition is less than the cost of educating one child.

I wonder what's typical?

[chevron]

In florida, you get 6k step up if you dont make enough, still, the schools dont lower the premium tuition for those paying full cost even with their getting a 6k minimum per child

[avromie7]

+1 I say there should be a policy, anyone getting a tuition break has to give their tzedakah money to the school and not to the flashy tzedakahs orgs.

The issue with this is that you can't get a tax deduction on tuition so if you're getting a tuition break and then giving money to the school you wouldn't be able to get a deduction for it.

[Sport]

The issue with this is that you can't get a tax deduction on tuition so if you're getting a tuition break and then giving money to the school you wouldn't be able to get a deduction for it.

So someone else should pay your tuition so you can get a tax receipt?

[avromie7]

So someone else should pay your tuition so you can get a tax receipt?

My point was that they then won't be able to pay the amount of tuition that they currently can.

[jackofall]

My point was that they then won't be able to pay the amount of tuition that they currently can.

A big chunk of people that are getting tuition breaks are not itemizing so wont be an issue for them.

[avromie7]

A big chunk of people that are getting tuition breaks are not itemizing so wont be an issue for them.

In that case they're not giving much money to tzedaka so it won't help much.

[Sport]

In that case they're not giving much money to tzedaka so it won't help much.

They can easily be giving 2 to $3,000 a year Without itemizing. That would make a big difference

[churnbabychurn]

And Brooklyn

[jackofall]

They can easily be giving 2 to $3,000 a year Without itemizing. That would make a big difference

+1

[yelped]

And Brooklyn

Source?

[churnbabychurn]

Source?

Manhatten da press release

[Eliyohu]

Sorry to go back on topic... Any credible source that more arrests are coming tomorrow morning?

[lubaby]

Manhatten da press release

This? Totally different situation. Only similarity is Jews doing things they shouldn't be.

[aygart]

Manhatten da press release

It is not for the same thing. More like a Solomon Dwek style bounced check scheme.

used their personal credit cards to make thousands of dollars’ worth of purchases from 92K BLVD., a shell company, which maintained an American Express merchant account linked to a Bank of America account, both of which were owned by ISRAEL ________, 62. During the same period, numerous checks in amounts ranging from $5,000 to $15,000 were written from 92K BLVD.’s account to other outside companies, through which thousands of dollars in checks were then distributed back to the individual defendants in amounts ranging from $4,000 to $9,000.
[/size]As part of the defendants’ scheme, the supposed buyers requested refunds shortly after making the purchases, prompting American Express to credit their accounts and attempt to retrieve the matching funds from 92K BLVD.’s merchant account. However, American Express was unable to so, and when Bank of America was contacted about the missing funds, American Express received information that there were insufficient funds in the account, causing American Express to suffer more than $270,000 in losses.[/color]

[cmey]

According to Wikipedia it seems that if investigators exercised  the same level of scrutiny to almost any  welfare population the result would be similar:

"Welfare fraud is the act of illegally useing state welfare systems by knowingly withholding or giving information to obtain more funds than would otherwise be allocated.

Obtaining reliable evidence of welfare fraud is notoriously difficult.[1][2] Official figures of the prevalence of welfare fraud based on government investigation tend to be low – a few percent of the total amount of welfare spending. Interviews with welfare recipients where the interviewer has succeeded to gain a high level of trust, on the other hand, have shown that many, if not most, fail to report incomes.[3][4] Likewise, a survey of the general population has found that more than 80% are prepared to cheat on welfare if the risk of audit is only 1/6.[1] In most cases, welfare fraud involves modest sums and is committed by people who struggle with poverty, but once started it often continues after reaching financial stability.[5][6]"

Of course there is no excusing fraudulent behavior and we should be better as a whole than the general population. However, it does give some perspective...