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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #780 on: June 29, 2017, 06:18:59 PM »
+1 I say there should be a policy, anyone getting a tuition break has to give their tzedakah money to the school and not to the flashy tzedakahs orgs.
Doesn't work as maaser if obligated, but then again if you're getting a tuition break you should not have a chiyuv to give maaser

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #782 on: June 29, 2017, 10:14:46 PM »
According to Wikipedia it seems that if investigators exercised  the same level of scrutiny to almost any  welfare population the result would be similar:

"Welfare fraud is the act of illegally useing state welfare systems by knowingly withholding or giving information to obtain more funds than would otherwise be allocated.

Obtaining reliable evidence of welfare fraud is notoriously difficult.[1][2] Official figures of the prevalence of welfare fraud based on government investigation tend to be low – a few percent of the total amount of welfare spending. Interviews with welfare recipients where the interviewer has succeeded to gain a high level of trust, on the other hand, have shown that many, if not most, fail to report incomes.[3][4] Likewise, a survey of the general population has found that more than 80% are prepared to cheat on welfare if the risk of audit is only 1/6.[1] In most cases, welfare fraud involves modest sums and is committed by people who struggle with poverty, but once started it often continues after reaching financial stability.[5][6]"

Of course there is no excusing fraudulent behavior and we should be better as a whole than the general population. However, it does give some perspective...

You wouldn't find anyone condoning such type of outright theft.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #784 on: June 29, 2017, 10:26:05 PM »
Wow, a community on edge.

Wild rumors are swirling about another 50 arrests scheduled, and people are paniking..

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #786 on: June 29, 2017, 11:47:24 PM »
Wow, a community on edge.

Wild rumors are swirling about another 50 arrests scheduled, and people are paniking..
the prosecutor said 10-12 more is about right.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #787 on: June 29, 2017, 11:53:13 PM »
the prosecutor said 10-12 more is about right.
Wasn't someone quoted as saying that "this is just the beginning" ?
Who warned the community in 2015 ?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #788 on: June 29, 2017, 11:55:02 PM »
A thought just crossed my mind. Could this be a result of Obamacare? IINM part of that law was tighter sharing of income information and was expected to result in people getting off medicaid (and possibly other welfare programs).
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #789 on: June 29, 2017, 11:58:14 PM »
Wasn't someone quoted as saying that "this is just the beginning" ?
Who warned the community in 2015 ?
The statement from the prosecutor is going to come back to haunt him. Any good defense attorney will seize upon that to show that it was not his clients alleged crime that made them arrest him but that they needed to show something for the millions of dollars spent illegally profiling a religious community. Imagine a prosecutor saying he targeted the black community.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #790 on: June 30, 2017, 12:00:27 AM »
A thought just crossed my mind. Could this be a result of Obamacare? IINM part of that law was tighter sharing of income information and was expected to result in people getting off medicaid (and possibly other welfare programs).
Of course it was. It also caused the car crash down the block from me.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #791 on: June 30, 2017, 12:16:47 AM »
Of course it was. It also caused the car crash down the block from me.
No, that was the Russian hackers

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #792 on: June 30, 2017, 12:20:23 AM »
What do you think of this ?
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1308030/op-ed-national-story-12-arrested-lakewood-ignored-sixty-eight-arrested-pennsylvania.html
The average number in that list is $3k-$4k, nothing close to the amounts that the Lakewood story is about.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #793 on: June 30, 2017, 12:32:37 AM »
The average number in that list is $3k-$4k, nothing close to the amounts that the Lakewood story is about.
You don't think it would've been big news if it was smaller amounts ? It's always a juicy story when it's אחינו being arrested.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #794 on: June 30, 2017, 12:48:51 AM »
I just pray and hope it's done but if ch"v it's not and they decide to come on shabbos...

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #798 on: June 30, 2017, 08:41:09 AM »
The statement from the prosecutor is going to come back to haunt him. Any good defense attorney will seize upon that to show that it was not his clients alleged crime that made them arrest him but that they needed to show something for the millions of dollars spent illegally profiling a religious community. Imagine a prosecutor saying he targeted the black community.
The prosecutor said he targeted the Jewish community?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #799 on: June 30, 2017, 08:42:16 AM »
Is this the orthodox financial crime master thread?
To short of a thread for that.  :)
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