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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #820 on: June 30, 2017, 11:26:58 AM »


Some of these cases do seem to have involved nitpicking by the prosecutors from what I am hearing. I don't think it is coincidental that soem of the indictments were released and some not.

Also, my point is not whether it made sense for them to do it, but that it was a stupid move on the prosecutor's part to be so explicit about it.

Complaints, not indictments . Very different

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #821 on: June 30, 2017, 11:28:15 AM »

Complaints, not indictments . Very different
Either way, some were released and some not.
Source?
What do you suspect are in those indictments? Don't they always have to publicize them?
I think that the numbers will show that the scale is not what they are making it out to be.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #822 on: June 30, 2017, 11:38:00 AM »
Either way, some were released and some not.I think that the numbers will show that the scale is not what they are making it out to be.
That was my feeling, too. It seems to me that the second round of arrests weren't people making 1m+ a year, but rather barely over the limits.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #823 on: June 30, 2017, 11:53:26 AM »
That was my feeling, too. It seems to me that the second round of arrests weren't people making 1m+ a year, but rather barely over the limits.

Did they stagger the arrests over different days as part of a media strategy?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #824 on: June 30, 2017, 12:04:58 PM »
Did they stagger the arrests over different days as part of a media strategy?
100% how else does the media know about the pending arrests to be waiting. The walk of shame is all about showboating.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #825 on: June 30, 2017, 12:08:02 PM »
100% how else does the media know about the pending arrests to be waiting. The walk of shame is all about showboating.
Not about showboating, but about demonstrating consequences to masses.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #826 on: June 30, 2017, 12:17:36 PM »
That was my feeling, too. It seems to me that the second round of arrests weren't people making 1m+ a year, but rather barely over the limits.
Even round 1 weren't all 1m guys. There's a reason they did the biggest show with one of the guys and put his indictment first. People will read the first one and assume the rest are the same.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #827 on: June 30, 2017, 12:20:44 PM »
Not about showboating, but about demonstrating consequences to masses.
Call it what you want, but they definitely do it on purpose/for a purpose.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #828 on: June 30, 2017, 12:25:44 PM »
Not about showboating, but about demonstrating supposed results to politicians.
FTFY

Millions of dollars were spent targeting the Lakewood frum community. They need to show something for it.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #829 on: June 30, 2017, 12:31:33 PM »
FTFY

Millions of dollars were spent targeting the Lakewood frum community. They need to show something for it.

How do you figure "millions"?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #830 on: June 30, 2017, 12:33:14 PM »
How do you figure "millions"?
The many manhours of a large team over a large number of years.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #831 on: June 30, 2017, 12:35:47 PM »
Not about showboating, but about demonstrating consequences to masses.
How does that go side by side with "innocent till proven guilty" ?
People have had their careers & lives destroyed through allegations & public parading only to have charges dropped. Remember Steven Hatfill ?

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #832 on: June 30, 2017, 12:38:46 PM »
How does that go side by side with "innocent till proven guilty" ?
People have had their careers & lives destroyed through allegations & public parading only to have charges dropped. Remember Steven Hatfill ?
It doesn't.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #833 on: June 30, 2017, 02:49:05 PM »
http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/charged-with-welfare-fraud-in-pennsylvania-including-lancaster-county-residents/article_d2ea7a6e-4f8f-11e7-bd5a-07190d0b7b36.html
This does happen elsewhere but for some reason it doesn't make national news. The lakewood story was in the WSJ, saw it thanks to dansdeals signup...

You don't think it would've been big news if it was smaller amounts ? It's always a juicy story when it's אחינו being arrested.
we are held to a higher standard. and we should be and we shouldn't have any issue with that. it's a core part of yahdus. we are supposed to embrace it. not complain,  abuse or ruin it.

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #834 on: June 30, 2017, 04:00:47 PM »
we are held to a higher standard. and we should be and we shouldn't have any issue with that. it's a core part of yahdus. we are supposed to embrace it. not complain,  abuse or ruin it.
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We should hold OURSELVES to a higher standard. For the authorities or media to hold us to a higher standard is anti-semitism.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #835 on: June 30, 2017, 04:16:22 PM »
Millions of dollars were spent targeting the Lakewood frum community. They need to show something for it.
You really need it give it a break.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #836 on: June 30, 2017, 04:38:11 PM »
You really need it give it a break.
What should I tell. When law enforcement says explicitly that they are targeting the Orthodox community it is something I take offense at.
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #837 on: June 30, 2017, 05:05:31 PM »
What should I tell. When law enforcement says explicitly that they are targeting the Orthodox community it is something I take offense at.
Nothing wrong with taking offense but bringing in anti-Semitism?
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #838 on: June 30, 2017, 05:12:59 PM »
Nothing wrong with taking offense but bringing in anti-Semitism?
Isn't targeting Jews called antisemitism
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Re: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes
« Reply #839 on: June 30, 2017, 05:16:54 PM »
If a cop would sit on the side of the highway with every car driving by at 80 mph. and he only pulled over jews and then arrested them for reckless driving, would you call it anti semitism or cracking down on speeding?