Author Topic: FBI Raids Orthodox Homes (Read 237574 times)

Dan · « **Reply #840 on:** June 30, 2017, 05:27:24 PM »

This is the issue with having a zip code like 08701 that have a majority of Orthodox Jews. You're going to raise a lot of red flags, whether it's AA, eBay, or the FBI.
You have a median household income of $40K with a median house cost over $300K. You have a very high percentage on the dole, but not many that seem destitute.
Is it a surprise that it's being targeted?

Yes, 44122 (Beachwood) is 90% Jewish and probably a majority of that Orthodox, but income is over double 08701s, houses are cheaper, and very few live on the dole, so I'd be shocked to hear about the feds targeting Jews here, which is what they'd be doing if this was related to anti-semitism.

chinagel · « **Reply #841 on:** June 30, 2017, 05:30:32 PM »

Quote from: Dan on June 30, 2017, 05:27:24 PM

Yes, 44122 (Beachwood) is 90% Jewish and probably a majority of that Orthodox, but income is over double 08701s, houses are cheaper, and very few live on the dole, so I'd be shocked to hear about the feds targeting Jews here, which is what they'd be doing if this was related to anti-semitism.

if almost no one is getting aid then there isnt anything for them to target, no matter how much anti semitism there is.

Dan · « **Reply #842 on:** June 30, 2017, 05:32:57 PM »

Quote from: chinagel on June 30, 2017, 05:30:32 PM

if almost no one is getting aid then there isnt anything for them to target, no matter how much anti semitism there is.

I'm sure it's not nobody, but clearly they saw anomalies in large numbers in 08701. That doesn't make it anti-semitism, it just means a lot of people on the dole live in the same zip code and they are going to raise eyebrows based on home values vs income levels, etc.

Mikeoracle · « **Reply #843 on:** June 30, 2017, 05:37:33 PM »

LinkedIn response from DH regarding being misquoted and taken out of context #fakenews
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6286256715197353984

Moshe123 · « **Reply #844 on:** June 30, 2017, 05:46:10 PM »

Didn't it all start from catching the money laundering at a store?

cmey · « **Reply #845 on:** June 30, 2017, 05:48:07 PM »

The Asbury Park Press is stooping to a new low in Jew baiting, cherry picking statistics to show welfare stats in Lakewood as being worse than Newark.
http://www.app.com/story/news/investigations/watchdog/2017/06/30/lakewood-welfare-half-children-get-assistance-families-panic-after-arrests/438839001

How many statistics had to be manipulated to come up with the married in Lakewood vs. married in Newark to sensationalize the numbers? 9 or 10 children households are not uncommon in Lakewood. Obviously if you had reported the number of total households in Lakewood receiving aid vs households in Lakewood that are not receiving programs the numbers would tell a very different story. Additionally, minority households in Newark where both parents are married tend to be far better off financially than single parent minority households. To cherry pick numbers to create a story is irresponsible reporting at best, and perhaps Jew- baiting considering some of the anti Semitic and Jew bashing comments that seem to be indicative of the lowest elements of society coming out of the woodwork to attack an entire religion in response to some of these inflammatory articles as many commenters (some since deleted) have done.

flyingace · « **Reply #846 on:** June 30, 2017, 06:05:10 PM »

Quote from: cmey on June 30, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

The Asbury Park Press is stooping to a new low in Jew baiting, cherry picking statistics to show welfare stats in Lakewood as being worse than Newark.
http://www.app.com/story/news/investigations/watchdog/2017/06/30/lakewood-welfare-half-children-get-assistance-families-panic-after-arrests/438839001

How many statistics had to be manipulated to come up with the married in Lakewood vs. married in Newark to sensationalize the numbers? 9 or 10 children households are not uncommon in Lakewood. Obviously if you had reported the number of total households in Lakewood receiving aid vs households in Lakewood that are not receiving programs the numbers would tell a very different story. Additionally, minority households in Newark where both parents are married tend to be far better off financially than single parent minority households. To cherry pick numbers to create a story is irresponsible reporting at best, and perhaps Jew- baiting considering some of the anti Semitic and Jew bashing comments that seem to be indicative of the lowest elements of society coming out of the woodwork to attack an entire religion in response to some of these inflammatory articles as many commenters (some since deleted) have done.

And this IS anti-Semitism. Do not think that they differentiate between kollel and working and big businessmen and Rebbeim; or Beechwood or Lakewood or Brooklyn or Monsey. To them all Jews are suspect. Never would a newspaper create so many stories out of one event if it wasn't about Jews.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #847 on:** June 30, 2017, 06:08:04 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 30, 2017, 05:12:59 PM

Isn't targeting Jews called antisemitism

Yes but that is not what happened. If they found out during their investigation Catholics were doing the same thing you would see them arrested also.

aygart · « **Reply #848 on:** June 30, 2017, 06:09:31 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz link=topic=61462.msg1763428#msg1763428 date=1498860484

Yes but that is not what happened. If they found out during their investigation Catholics were doing the same thing you would see them arrested also.

Except that it is what happened. They were specifically targeting the Jewish community. Had they incidentally found a Catholic along the way they would have arrested them too. So what.

theduke · « **Reply #849 on:** June 30, 2017, 06:14:50 PM »

The app is beyond anti Semitic, it's still front page news on their website and in the papers. Everyone else moved on to the next story. Seems like the connection was ppl that had special needs children, the second round of ppl that were arrested were actually low income ppl living as such, they probably under reported 5k of income but were caught in this web somehow...

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #850 on:** June 30, 2017, 06:19:04 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 30, 2017, 06:09:31 PM

Except that it is what happened. They were specifically targeting the Jewish community. Had they incidentally found a Catholic along the way they would have arrested them too. So what.

that's how you view it and there was nothing that I or anyone else could say that will change that.
Today CPD is targeting a neighborhood with the highest gun violence. Using your logic they are targeting blacks.

aygart · « **Reply #851 on:** June 30, 2017, 06:23:45 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 30, 2017, 06:19:04 PM

that's how you view it and there was nothing that I or anyone else could say that will change that.
Today CPD is targeting a neighborhood with the highest gun violence. Using your logic they are targeting blacks.

especially since they said it themselves

I think you have seen enough of me here to know that I am not someone who sees anti Semites behind every stone. When they themselves have said they profiled based on a bigoted stereotype I will take them at their word.

Aaaron · « **Reply #852 on:** June 30, 2017, 07:44:22 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 30, 2017, 06:23:45 PM

especially since they said it themselves

I think you have seen enough of me here to know that I am not someone who sees anti Semites behind every stone. When they themselves have said they profiled based on a bigoted stereotype I will take them at their word.

Where did they say that? I still haven't seen it.