FBI Raids Orthodox Homes

[Menachem613]

By the FBI?

I would guess it's much harder for the FBI to uncover similar fraud amongst non-Jews as you won't find the same interconnectivity amongst businesses, friends and family.

[MisterHock]

Round 3:
http://www.app.com/story/news/local/jackson-lakewood/2017/07/06/lakewood-welfare-fraud-arrests/454626001/

[hachover]

I wonder whether the people who think that's spot on really believe that everyone lies about their income on cc applications and so on, or if they just believe that there is some correlation between making a fuss over this welfare fraud case and being a person who lies on cc applications. Either way, I think it's a ridiculous way of saying 'people who live in glass houses', when most people in fact don't (in this case).

[Menachem613]

I wonder whether the people who think that's spot on really believe that everyone lies about their income on cc applications and so on, or if they just believe that there is some correlation between making a fuss over this welfare fraud case and being a person who lies on cc applications. Either way, I think it's a ridiculous way of saying 'people who live in glass houses', when most people in fact don't (in this case).

Also, is it really necessary to lie on a CC application? I didn't think the banks were so fussy.

[Dave321]

12 more people just arrested

[TimT]

12 more people just arrested

You referring to this or an additional 12 ?

Round 3:
http://www.app.com/story/news/local/jackson-lakewood/2017/07/06/lakewood-welfare-fraud-arrests/454626001/

[shaulyaakov]

Amounts are getting smaller and defendants were issued summons instead of being arrested. Maybe this is the end.

[Dave321]

Amounts are getting smaller and defendants were issued summons instead of being arrested. Maybe this is the end.

the summons was negotiated by huge hockers in lakewood that there would be no perp walk. FBI wanted to drag each and every one out

[churnbabychurn]

the summons was negotiated by huge hockers in lakewood that there would be no perp walk. FBI wanted to drag each and every one out

What did they offer for negotiation ?

[syp5]

the summons was negotiated by huge hockers in lakewood that there would be no perp walk. FBI wanted to drag each and every one out

I think that's incorrect.
Charges under 75k is a 3rd degree charge which generally results in a summons.

[yuneeq]

the summons was negotiated by huge hockers in lakewood that there would be no perp walk. FBI wanted to drag each and every one out

Makes sense because they decided to single out the Jews.

http://www.recordonline.com/news/20170705/23-charged-in-orange-county-welfare-fraud-sweep

The investigation was done by the county’s Department of Social Services Special Investigations Unit, sheriff’s investigators and the district attorney’s office. District attorney’s investigators interviewed each person before charges were filed, said District Attorney David Hoovler."

[aygart]

FTFY

Millions of dollars were spent targeting the Lakewood frum community. They need to show something for it.

How do you figure "millions"?

The many manhours of a large team over a large number of years.

You really need it give it a break.

http://www.app.com/story/news/local/jackson-lakewood/2017/07/06/lakewood-welfare-fraud-arrests/454626001/

Authorities have said the suspects are accused of taking part in sophisticated schemes that make the fraud one of the largest investigations in  recent New Jersey history.

Meanwhile these are pretty poor results from "one of the largest investigations in recent NJ history". There is so much government corruption going on in NJ that everyone knows about and THIS is what they are making their largest investigations on?

[aygart]

Makes sense because they decided to single out the Jews.

http://www.recordonline.com/news/20170705/23-charged-in-orange-county-welfare-fraud-sweep

In honesty the numbers there are dwrafed by what we are discussing here. This can be simply because of the larger families creating larger benefit eligibility.

[Moshe123]

My question is, obviously the amounts are small, but by how much was their income underrepresented?

Also, all of these have stopped already a few years ago.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Meanwhile these are pretty poor results from "one of the largest investigations in recent NJ history". There is so much government corruption going on in NJ that everyone knows about and THIS is what they are making their largest investigations on?

Going to call you the "Spin Doctor". 

[ChaimMoskowitz]

This thread got me thinking. Were is Mesh? 

[Menachem613]

This thread got me thinking. Were is Mesh? 

Jail?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Jail?

You said it not me. 

[yoohoo]

Hearing that some of the summonses are based on extremely high credit card usage (MS perhaps) and that statements were subpoenaed.
Also hearing that the lakewood askonim believe this is an antisemitic witchhunt in most cases.
 

[iwlw2]

Hearing that some of the summonses are based on extremely high credit card usage (MS perhaps) and that statements were subpoenaed.
Also hearing that the lakewood askonim believe this is an antisemitic witchhunt in most cases.

Very interesting. What constitutes "extremely high CC usage" approx.? Also, which askonim are you referring to?