FBI Raids Orthodox Homes

[aygart]

Very interesting. What constitutes "extremely high CC usage" approx.? Also, which askonim are you referring to?

A godd example would be someone spending $10,000 each month and paying the bill while only reporting $5000 in income.

[ttn]

Would they only look into high credit card spending if they had other reasons to look into that person before?

[Menachem613]

Would they only look into high credit card spending if they had other reasons to look into that person before?

I would think it's only used as additional evidence of fraud. 

[Toasted]

I doubt they can summon all cc records of all of lkwd and hit ms'ers. It's something they can check if they're already investigating.

Here's the rule of thumb:

[yoohoo]

A godd example would be someone spending $10,000 each month and paying the bill while only reporting $5000 in income.

another thing they may look at is the reported income on CC application.

[TimT]

another thing they may look at is the reported income on CC application.

Highly doubt it. Unless you're messing around with the banks.

[aygart]

another thing they may look at is the reported income on CC application.

Possibly but unlikely since it is really meanless with no real standards as to what can be included.

[flyingace]

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Dear Editor,

 It is highly suspicious to observe only Orthodox Jews being prosecuted, with mugshots being plastered across to the media, in what Ocean County Prosecutor Joseph Coronato has termed as a crackdown on welfare fraud in Lakewood. Not a single-member of Lakewood's large Mexican immigrant population, who are often paid in cash and lacking lawful immigration status are being accused of such fraud.

 It is improbable that in a town-wide crackdown, the only offenders would be from the Orthodox community. While convicted sex offenders charged with new crimes have been released with no bail in Ocean County, some of the Lakewood residents charged in this prosecution (which appears to be a persecution), have been forced to pay $100,000 bail in order to secure their pre-trial release.

 In 2015, Ocean County Prosecutor Joseph Coronato declined to prosecute the neo-nazi daughter of a NJ State Trooper who tweeted threats to bomb and run over members of Lakewood's Orthodox Jewish community with her car, with photos of her prospective targets, including young Jewish children. In 2010, Amit Bornstein, a Jewish man from Marlboro died in the Monmouth County Jail after being beaten by Sheriff's Officers. Anti-semitism has long been a problem among law enforcement in New Jersey, and these recent events show that it has yet to be addressed.

Rev. Dr. Eric Hafner Recent Candidate for U.S. Congress Toms River, NJ

[ChaimMoskowitz]

For immediate publication, please publish, you have my permission to publish - For Verification Rev. Dr. Eric Hafner- 1001 Fischer Blvd Unit 155, Toms River, NJ 08753 eric@erichafner.com (email is best way to reach, if you need phone please email) ) -____________
Dear Editor,

 It is highly suspicious to observe only Orthodox Jews being prosecuted, with mugshots being plastered across to the media, in what Ocean County Prosecutor Joseph Coronato has termed as a crackdown on welfare fraud in Lakewood. Not a single-member of Lakewood's large Mexican immigrant population, who are often paid in cash and lacking lawful immigration status are being accused of such fraud.

 It is improbable that in a town-wide crackdown, the only offenders would be from the Orthodox community. While convicted sex offenders charged with new crimes have been released with no bail in Ocean County, some of the Lakewood residents charged in this prosecution (which appears to be a persecution), have been forced to pay $100,000 bail in order to secure their pre-trial release.

 In 2015, Ocean County Prosecutor Joseph Coronato declined to prosecute the neo-nazi daughter of a NJ State Trooper who tweeted threats to bomb and run over members of Lakewood's Orthodox Jewish community with her car, with photos of her prospective targets, including young Jewish children. In 2010, Amit Bornstein, a Jewish man from Marlboro died in the Monmouth County Jail after being beaten by Sheriff's Officers. Anti-semitism has long been a problem among law enforcement in New Jersey, and these recent events show that it has yet to be addressed.

Rev. Dr. Eric Hafner Recent Candidate for U.S. Congress Toms River, NJ

#fakenews

[flyingace]

What's fake? Is there no such person?

[aygart]

This guy is trying to get himself on the map to get into a political position of any sort so he can work on legalizing marijuana. He will say any stupidity he thinks will help him in that direction.

[flyingace]

Got it. Still think his message counteracts some of the vitriol.

[Mountain Man]

What I don't get about the APP article is that they mention the money like it's some huge egregious amount. I'm not condoning Medicaid fraud but the tone is much softer if they were to say "XXX Couple had 2 child deliveries and a dozen medical checkups over a 3 year period". I've worked with NJ Medicaid before in a former career. These amounts are likely not what Medicaid paid out. If I recall correctly I dealt with an indigent high acuity patient that billed over $1 million for the month and got $4,000 or so in reimbursement from NJ Medicaid. The amounts listed in this article likely may be much higher than the actual costs.

I don't know anything about these individuals and I don't want to know. I can say that Medicaid (especially after the affordable care act) can be very easy to get on and hard to get off. It is suspicious that it seems there is only one community in one township in the country that is in focus right now. On my way to work I pass dozens of homeless many of whom are constantly in emergency care (judging by the number of ambulances I see). How come FBI agents aren't going after them for needlessly abusing our welfare system? Why don't they also harass people who made poor life decisions requiring them to be wardens of the state? I'm not saying these families are innocent (though we should consider them so until proven guilty, right?) I am saying that they are a tiny drop in an ocean of Medicaid abusers.

[flyingace]

What I don't get about the APP article is that they mention the money like it's some huge egregious amount. I'm not condoning Medicaid fraud but the tone is much softer if they were to say "XXX Couple had 2 child deliveries and a dozen medical checkups over a 3 year period". I've worked with NJ Medicaid before in a former career. These amounts are likely not what Medicaid paid out. If I recall correctly I dealt with an indigent high acuity patient that billed over $1 million for the month and got $4,000 or so in reimbursement from NJ Medicaid. The amounts listed in this article likely may be much higher than the actual costs.

I don't know anything about these individuals and I don't want to know. I can say that Medicaid (especially after the affordable care act) can be very easy to get on and hard to get off. It is suspicious that it seems there is only one community in one township in the country that is in focus right now. On my way to work I pass dozens of homeless many of whom are constantly in emergency care (judging by the number of ambulances I see). How come FBI agents aren't going after them for needlessly abusing our welfare system? Why don't they also harass people who made poor life decisions requiring them to be wardens of the state? I'm not saying these families are innocent (though we should consider them so until proven guilty, right?) I am saying that they are a tiny drop in an ocean of Medicaid abusers.

Which is why some people are reading this effort as anti-Semitic. Not that the accused must be innocent, but the motivation here seems quite suspect.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Which is why some people are reading this effort as anti-Semitic. Not that the accused must be innocent, but the motivation here seems quite suspect.

I think it is a lot more involved. Probably payback for this. You know what they say about those that live in glass houses. 

[yoohoo]

You know what they say about those that live in glass houses. 

.....Dont throw covfefe.

[ExGingi]

I don't know anything about these individuals and I don't want to know. I can say that Medicaid (especially after the affordable care act) can be very easy to get on and hard to get off.

+1000

Almost every time I try to help people who are on Medicaid, and are no longer eligible, disenroll from Medicaid and enroll in something else, it is a hassle, often requiring multiple calls, escalation, etc.

[mgarfin]

+1000

Almost every time I try to help people who are on Medicaid, and are no longer eligible, disenroll from Medicaid and enroll in something else, it is a hassle, often requiring multiple calls, escalation, etc.

After being off Medicaid for a year I suddenly found myself back on!

[Zkpncs48]

I heard that one of todays arrests was for not reporting miles earned as income! I'm not sure if he sold them and didn't report it or the miles themselves is what they got him for
They were investigating him because of the huge amounts of MS, including swiping for others, that were going through his bank accounts.
When everything checked out and they couldn't get him on thr actual money they went after him because of the miles.

[AsherO]

What I don't get about the APP article is that they mention the money like it's some huge egregious amount. I'm not condoning Medicaid fraud but the tone is much softer if they were to say "XXX Couple had 2 child deliveries and a dozen medical checkups over a 3 year period". I've worked with NJ Medicaid before in a former career. These amounts are likely not what Medicaid paid out. If I recall correctly I dealt with an indigent high acuity patient that billed over $1 million for the month and got $4,000 or so in reimbursement from NJ Medicaid. The amounts listed in this article likely may be much higher than the actual costs.

Maybe special-needs children (whose families were targeted), incur higher costs because Medicaid pays for their therapy and their aides. Those costs are still high for recipients who have an aide at home 24/7 and multiple therapy sessions a week.