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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1160 on: August 12, 2024, 12:32:04 AM »
We had another conversation just now and Yossi clearly thinks its antisemitism. I've updated the DDMS draft post to better reflect that.

I don't blame him for thinking that, but there isn't the smoking gun in the way of quotes from the company that the QJL article made it seem there were. Thank you, as always, for actually doing the reporting to get as close to the bottom of it possible rather than taking purported quotes at face value.

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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1161 on: August 12, 2024, 12:41:11 AM »
I don't blame him for thinking that, but there isn't the smoking gun in the way of quotes from the company that the QJL article made it seem there were. Thank you, as always, for actually doing the reporting to get as close to the bottom of it possible rather than taking purported quotes at face value.
I'd agree with that.
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1162 on: August 12, 2024, 12:50:05 AM »
 There is sadly many cases of anti-Semitism that can be called out. Here its allegations from a hurt party and risks falling into the category of always crying victim, which hurts the cause and influence when they are blatant.
I do think this article should be posted but maybe stay away from the last sentence with Yossi's view that its anti-Semitism (it wil be in the comments anyway).

Edit:
second thought.. since this is a more detailed review of an article that clearly insinuated anti-Semitism, maybe its actually okay to create the debate. i take back my suggestion.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2024, 12:53:06 AM by haltkup »

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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1163 on: August 12, 2024, 01:09:24 AM »
Excellent! Great job as always!

Just a tiny add in, maybe put a comma after gosh:

Quote from: The Article
(gosh I wonder what those 18 new commandments are going to look like, hopefully one of them will forbid social media! 😉 )
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1164 on: August 12, 2024, 03:39:06 AM »
Feel free to disregard anything you don't like. I probably won't reread it, anyway.  ;D

Title: Replace comma with dash, semicolon or period. The Curious Case Of Costa Cruises And A Canceled Kosher Group - Was Antisemitism A Factor? or The Curious Case Of Costa Cruises And A Canceled Kosher Group; Was Antisemitism A Factor? or The Curious Case Of Costa Cruises And A Canceled Kosher Group. Was Antisemitism A Factor?

"It referenced an alleged antisemitic incident that occurred in July 2024 between Costa Cruises and kosher cruise organizer Yossi Zablocki."
Two thoughts: 1) "It" can be replaced with "The article" or alternatively, the sentence can be part of the previous paragraph. 2) July 2024 is better written as "last month." If you need the date in there for posterity, still write "last month" and put July 2024 in parenthesis.

"...alleges that his kosher group was canceled for reasons unknown, but could be possibly due to antisemitism."

"His son, Micky Arison was the CEO from 1979-2013. " Drop the comma.

"Costa Cruises was first to respond with this statement," Change to "Costa Cruises was first to respond, with this statement:"

I assume the statement was copy-paste, so I'm not touching it.

This version is easier to read:
"Aside from calling them Destinations 631 instead of Destinations 613 (Gosh, I wonder what those 18 new commandments are going to look like? Hopefully one of them will forbid social media! 😉 ), the statement paints a very different picture than the article."

"We then spoke and" - I would add a comma after spoke.

cruises with Costa, an Italian-based cruise line for the past 8 years - Is Costa a cruise line for 8 years, or has he been booking with them for 8 years? If the former, add a comma after line. If the latter, add a comma after years.

I wouldn't show the 'page 1 of 8' part of the picture if you won't be posting all 8 pages, but maybe that's just me.

He said that there were no minimum requirements for a kosher group. and that He even did a Costa cruise to Iceland with 23 cabins last year, and had no problem running the kosher program.

But it meant This required starting again from scratch, whereas compared to the US office which already knew all of the group’s needs.

It was unclear from the article, - was it unclear or simply not mentioned at all? If the latter, you should say so. "The article does not mention that the July 2024 cruise did go off as planned, albeit with some compromises such as..."

such as paper plates being used as because new dishes weren’t onboarded.

I’d always rather attribute things to incompetence before malice - always try to OR rather, not both

ThoughStill, it’s impossible to rule out that antisemitism didn’t play a role as well.
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1165 on: August 12, 2024, 09:15:40 AM »
Feel free to disregard anything you don't like. I probably won't reread it, anyway.  ;D
Fantastic suggestions, I've updated the draft.

Last call for changes: https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/curious-case-costa-cruises-kosher-group-antisemitism-factor/
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1166 on: August 12, 2024, 09:49:55 AM »
If anyone has what to add here, it'll be linked in the post...

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=137210.new#new

It'll replace the one social media joke, with a link to the thread instead.
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1167 on: August 12, 2024, 09:58:34 AM »
I would add "[sic]" after Destinations 631.

I thought it was a typo on your part before I reached the joke about the 18 commandments.

This would add clarity.

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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1168 on: August 12, 2024, 10:08:44 AM »
I would leave out the opinions on if it was antisemitism. Let the reader draw their own conclusions on the facts you presented.
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1169 on: August 12, 2024, 10:09:53 AM »
I would leave out the opinions on if it was antisemitism. Let the reader draw their own conclusions on the facts you presented.
Which lines are you referring to?
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1170 on: August 12, 2024, 10:14:48 AM »
I would leave out the opinions on if it was antisemitism. Let the reader draw their own conclusions on the facts you presented.
second thought.. since this is a more detailed review of an article that clearly insinuated anti-Semitism, maybe its actually okay to create the debate. i take back my suggestion.


The whole point of this piece is because a story came out about horrendous antisemitism. People have been talking about it and now *that* is the story.

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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1171 on: August 12, 2024, 11:02:06 AM »
Which lines are you referring to?
Yossi saying he feels it was antisemitism.
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1172 on: August 12, 2024, 11:03:23 AM »
The whole point of this piece is because a story came out about horrendous antisemitism.
Is the point to put the facts out there for the readers to determine or is that a foregone conclusion?
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1173 on: August 12, 2024, 11:10:59 AM »
Yossi saying he feels it was antisemitism.
That's his feeling, which he's entitled to.

I don't make a conclusion and leave it to the reader to decide.
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1174 on: August 12, 2024, 11:17:16 AM »
Is the point to put the facts out there for the readers to determine or is that a foregone conclusion?
You're missing the point that the allegations of antisemitism are just as much part of the story as any other detail. Those allegations were made and went kinda off viral before Dan reported this story, his reporting now allows the reader to form a more informed opinion.

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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1175 on: August 12, 2024, 11:18:39 AM »
Just gave a non-Jewish view, that's all.
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« Reply #1176 on: August 12, 2024, 11:33:53 AM »
Just gave a non-Jewish view, that's all.

What would you know about a non-Jewish view??
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1177 on: August 12, 2024, 11:35:15 AM »
What would you know about a non-Jewish view??
Wrong thread.
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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1178 on: August 12, 2024, 12:57:16 PM »
Hopefully @Dan will follow up on this accusation. It would shed a different light on the situation if true.

Zablocki has a pretty bad track record.
I wouldn’t take his word for much.
He uses the threat of lawsuits to shut down any real criticism.
I would recommend against getting any further involved

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Re: Proofread DDMS Posts In Advance...
« Reply #1179 on: August 12, 2024, 01:01:01 PM »
Hopefully @Dan will follow up on this accusation. It would shed a different light on the situation if true.

Zablocki has a pretty bad track record.
I wouldn’t take his word for much.
He uses the threat of lawsuits to shut down any real criticism.
I would recommend against getting any further involved


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