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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #60 on: March 31, 2016, 12:53:55 PM »
Take with a mountain of salt, but this could explain it. A comment someone made on Lucky's post.

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I have seen ASís agreement with CX and DL. Their agreements do say that the partner airline, NOT Alaska, determines the number of miles required for redemption. Their contracts are NOT the usual alliance partner contracts that fixes a per flown mile reimbursement rate. Thatís why they have a different award chart for each partner and you canít mix them. Thatís also why DL awards costs the same for OW and RT travel.

Partner airlines having some control over otherís program is also not unique in the AS program. For example BAís partners, AS included, charges YQ on all BA awards. This is mandated by BA to make sure their own program doesnít become uncompetitive for award travel on their own flights. Same reason why DL charges YQ on ex-Europe awards on AF/KL.

I have not seen the EK agreement but there is a possibility that the twitter claim is true.

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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #61 on: March 31, 2016, 12:57:45 PM »
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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #62 on: March 31, 2016, 01:13:04 PM »
Take with a mountain of salt, but this could explain it. A comment someone made on Lucky's post.

Makes sense to me.

No, that's how you *assume* their contract works.

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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2016, 02:22:55 PM »
... Except that the pennies they save devaluing without notice pales in comparison the value lost as a result of pissing off some of your most valuable flyers, not to mention the thousands of people who bought miles over the last few days in order to redeem for EK F.
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a "valuable customer" of AS?
I'm not sure you realize how hollow it sounds when people racking up miles from cards and spending them to book $25,000 suites in the air complain about how the airlines are disregarding their "valuable customers"?  They do have valuable customers, such as frequent cash paying business travelers, but people "outsmarting the system" by racking up cc miles aren't them.

What they just did affects a tiny minority of their customer base. Most people don't know or care about miles, the ones that do are mostly not aiming that high (as in "I just NEED that first class residence!"), and the ones that are aiming that high are playing shtick and don't bring in a blessed dime to their bottom line.

And don't start arguing with me trying to explain how Alaska WANTS you to do this, and they make LOTS of profit off people like you, because both common sense and the facts say otherwise. If they were making such a killing on people doing this they wouldn't suddenly rack up the mikes required to bake it much more difficult for people.

If you want to do it, that fine. Just don't convince yourself and others that you're doing AS or EK or any airline a favor by doing what you're doing because you're not.

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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2016, 02:27:09 PM »
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a "valuable customer" of AS?
I'm not sure you realize how hollow it sounds when people racking up miles from cards and spending them to book $25,000 suites in the air complain about how the airlines are disregarding their "valuable customers"?  They do have valuable customers, such as frequent cash paying business travelers, but people "outsmarting the system" by racking up cc miles aren't them.

What they just did affects a tiny minority of their customer base. Most people don't know or care about miles, the ones that do are mostly not aiming that high (as in "I just NEED that first class residence!"), and the ones that are aiming that high are playing shtick and don't bring in a blessed dime to their bottom line.

And don't start arguing with me trying to explain how Alaska WANTS you to do this, and they make LOTS of profit off people like you, because both common sense and the facts say otherwise. If they were making such a killing on people doing this they wouldn't suddenly rack up the mikes required to bake it much more difficult for people.

If you want to do it, that fine. Just don't convince yourself and others that you're doing AS or EK or any airline a favor by doing what you're doing because you're not.
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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2016, 02:28:10 PM »
It reminds me of when Dan used to INSIST that churning is profitable for the banks because of blah blah blah (insert all sorts of cheshbonos here). Obviously that defies logic but not everyone is so into that stuff.
Well, oops, doesn't look like that anymore. With the crackdowns going on recently (AMEX, AS, Chase) it's pretty clear, as it should've been from day 1, that they don't like it and that you're not doing them any favors.

So please, do what you want, but check your entitlement at the door. You're not a big shot coming up to them with a check for $25,000. You're someone who gamed their system, and when they find out, they can only be expected to do what they just did.

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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2016, 02:41:54 PM »
ExUSA?

Seems like they collect Q charges even on EX USA routes as per this
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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2016, 02:42:04 PM »
Take with a mountain of salt, but this could explain it. A comment someone made on Lucky's post.

I buy that EK has some control, but not that this was all of a sudden. I can't imagine AS had no idea this was likely coming a month or two ago, and could have at least given its members some notice.

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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2016, 02:56:04 PM »
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a "valuable customer" of AS?
I'm not sure you realize how hollow it sounds when people racking up miles from cards and spending them to book $25,000 suites in the air complain about how the airlines are disregarding their "valuable customers"?  They do have valuable customers, such as frequent cash paying business travelers, but people "outsmarting the system" by racking up cc miles aren't them.

What they just did affects a tiny minority of their customer base. Most people don't know or care about miles, the ones that do are mostly not aiming that high (as in "I just NEED that first class residence!"), and the ones that are aiming that high are playing shtick and don't bring in a blessed dime to their bottom line.

And don't start arguing with me trying to explain how Alaska WANTS you to do this, and they make LOTS of profit off people like you, because both common sense and the facts say otherwise. If they were making such a killing on people doing this they wouldn't suddenly rack up the mikes required to bake it much more difficult for people.

If you want to do it, that fine. Just don't convince yourself and others that you're doing AS or EK or any airline a favor by doing what you're doing because you're not.
Did you specifically create a new username to use solely to bash AJK ?
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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2016, 03:10:04 PM »
It reminds me of when Dan used to INSIST that churning is profitable for the banks because of blah blah blah (insert all sorts of cheshbonos here).
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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2016, 03:13:46 PM »
Did you specifically create a new username to use solely to bash AJK ?

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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #71 on: March 31, 2016, 03:17:21 PM »
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a "valuable customer" of AS?

Nope.

That was an easy one.
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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2016, 03:19:35 PM »
Did you read AJK's posts in this thread before commenting?

Likely not:

Anger and super-sensitivity tends to cause that frothing-at-the-mouth tunnel vision.

Did you specifically create a new username to use solely to bash AJK ?

LOL, it's flattering.
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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2016, 03:22:59 PM »
We are not bringing the Epstein Saga into this. Pleeeaaaaasssseeeee.  :)
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Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2016, 03:24:46 PM »
We are not bringing the Epstein Saga into this. Pleeeaaaaasssseeeee.  :)

OK, I will no longer feed the troll, except substantively :P
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