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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2120 on: October 04, 2018, 09:22:36 PM »
I know I thought he was someone else, but now the question is why he said I backed out of him? I've never dealt with that username before
Best you two work it out since there seems to be a lot of confusion.
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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2121 on: October 04, 2018, 10:45:13 PM »
Please erase the Lakewood NJ part.. Please.. It's such a חילול השם...

Im not following the story exactly though... What was this hundred dollars transaction all about? Was he supposed to send something to you, or you to him?
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2122 on: October 04, 2018, 10:46:32 PM »
Please erase the Lakewood NJ part..
and his name.

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2123 on: October 04, 2018, 10:48:11 PM »
Name is still in there

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2124 on: October 04, 2018, 10:51:25 PM »
Sorry deleted thought I made sure nothing was there
Either way, you were pretty quick to jump down the guys throat. You win some and lose some, it's just the way it is. Of course he was wrong, but I would've just moved on.

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2125 on: October 04, 2018, 10:53:02 PM »
I was just telling him grow up and say I’m screwing You over instead of making up excuses which he refused to do. I had one guy tell me I cant give it to you for $100 if I can get $500...

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2126 on: October 04, 2018, 10:54:37 PM »
Either way, you were pretty quick to jump down the guys throat. You win some and lose some, it's just the way it is. Of course he was wrong, but I would've just moved on.
When a person says an excuse and you have his tracking number and see that he requested pick up at location what should I have thought he’s leaving it at ups for time to expire and they will return it?
I did offer him to pay him upfront and take a risk that the coin won’t come in there and he refused that...

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2127 on: October 04, 2018, 11:10:43 PM »
Thanks to @CHEAPAVEDA for the quick and easy transaction

Thanks for the shoutout!

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2128 on: October 06, 2018, 09:52:10 PM »
Food for thought - if commitment is only a pledge to sell the coin at a later point to a buying group, but the actual kinyan taking place at time of transfer...

And....

At the later point the coin is worth more then 1/6th of the price being offered...

Wouldn't there be a major shailah of oonah with the mechira being batel automatically.

You can be mochel oonah of course, but is mechila assumed as part of the commitment I wonder.

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2129 on: October 06, 2018, 09:57:11 PM »
Food for thought - if commitment is only a pledge to sell the coin at a later point to a buying group, but the actual kinyan taking place at time of transfer...

And....

At the later point the coin is worth more then 1/6th of the price being offered...

Wouldn't there be a major shailah of oonah with the mechira being batel automatically.

You can be mochel oonah of course, but is mechila assumed as part of the commitment I wonder.
this is a question for Rabbi @ChaimMoskowitz
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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2130 on: October 06, 2018, 10:05:39 PM »
Food for thought - if commitment is only a pledge to sell the coin at a later point to a buying group, but the actual kinyan taking place at time of transfer...

And....

At the later point the coin is worth more then 1/6th of the price being offered...

Wouldn't there be a major shailah of oonah with the mechira being batel automatically.

You can be mochel oonah of course, but is mechila assumed as part of the commitment I wonder.
this question doesn’t make any sense to me

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2131 on: October 06, 2018, 10:12:45 PM »
Food for thought - if commitment is only a pledge to sell the coin at a later point to a buying group, but the actual kinyan taking place at time of transfer...

And....

At the later point the coin is worth more then 1/6th of the price being offered...

Wouldn't there be a major shailah of oonah with the mechira being batel automatically.

You can be mochel oonah of course, but is mechila assumed as part of the commitment I wonder.

Would you be just as concerned if the price dropped after the release?

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2132 on: October 06, 2018, 10:15:07 PM »
http://chabadlibrary.org/books/adhaz/sh/sh6/3/1/index.htm

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א אף על פי שאין המקח נגמר בדברים בלבד ורשאי כל אחד מהם לחזור בו מן הדין ואפילו קללת מי שפרע אינו צריך לקבל אם לא נתן מעות הרי החוזר בו ממחוסרי אמנה ואין רוח חכמים נוחה הימנו כי ראוי לאדם לעמוד בדבורו כמו שכתוב שארית ישראל לא יעשו עולה ולא ידברו כזב וגו'.

וירא שמים יש לו לקיים אפילו מחשבות לבו שאם חשב וגמר בלבו למכור לו בסכום זה והלה לא ידע ממחשבתו והוסיף לו על סכום זה לא יקח ממנו כי אם סכום זה שגמר בלבו לקיים מה שכתוב ודובר אמת בלבבו. וכן הלוקח שגמר בלבו לקנות בסכום כך וכך אין לו לחזור בו (וכן כל כיוצא בזה בשאר דברים שבין אדם לחבירו יש לו לקיים מחשבות לבו אם גמר בלבו לעשות איזו טובה לחבירו ויש בידו לעשותה אבל צרכי עצמו כל שאין בהם סרך מצוה אינו צריך לקיים אפילו מוצא שפתיו):
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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2133 on: October 07, 2018, 12:12:02 AM »
I saw on eBay that coins are selling for over 2400

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2134 on: October 07, 2018, 01:03:03 AM »
http://chabadlibrary.org/books/adhaz/sh/sh6/3/1/index.htm

Is that referring to an oonah situation or simply someone who backs out?

And yes, the question holds true if the price went down more then a 1/6th.

 Mechila would then be required on the seller's part.

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2135 on: October 07, 2018, 08:01:17 AM »
Is that referring to an oonah situation or simply someone who backs out?

And yes, the question holds true if the price went down more then a 1/6th.

 Mechila would then be required on the seller's part.

Well then just like 99% of the people still want the groups to take their coin when it drops - and they always do, I would argue that they’re agreeing to sell the coin regardless of oonah either way since they don’t want to take the risk.

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2136 on: October 07, 2018, 08:35:07 AM »
Well then just like 99% of the people still want the groups to take their coin when it drops - and they always do, I would argue that they’re agreeing to sell the coin regardless of oonah either way since they don’t want to take the risk.

"They always do" - true, but a mechila at the time of the transaction is required by the seller.

Likewise, when it goes up, a mechila at that point in time is required by the buyer.

The large number of people that wish to back seems to indicate that they are not interested in being mochel, which they are halachically entitled not to do.

Incidentally, on a practical level, the coins will never go down by more then 1/6th as they are returnable to the mint.

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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2137 on: October 07, 2018, 08:54:36 AM »
You made a commitment so you honor it. Do you really want to blame this on religion?
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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2138 on: October 07, 2018, 09:18:24 AM »
Is that referring to an oonah situation or simply someone who backs out?

And yes, the question holds true if the price went down more then a 1/6th.

 Mechila would then be required on the seller's part.
I am not well versed in this, but is אונאה applicable at all בדבר שלא בא לעולם?
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Re: New Coin Deal
« Reply #2139 on: October 07, 2018, 09:28:58 AM »
I am not well versed in this, but is אונאה applicable at all בדבר שלא בא לעולם?
even if it doesn't apply by  דבר שלא בא לעולם , i would think the fact that the coins were already minted means that it is בא לעולם.
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