New Coin Deal

[zagguru]

Bottom line is, if the price dropped, everyone would expect that PFS honor the deal of the opt-in. Be a mentch and do the same.

[Yitzshpitz]

And don't expect your word to be worth more to others that it is worth to you.

Maybe someone can give me some insight re these “ buying arrangements” with buying groups.

My question here is- when someone signs up for a deal with buying group, is the agreement to sell it to him at a commission or is it a shlichus and the  commission is payment for services? If its the latter then the issue could be much more than just mechsar emuna, it might be binding esp if your intention at the time of purchase was to give it to buying groups. Im just speculating and am unfamiliar of this halacha but am curious as to how these agreements are structured and the halachic status of them.

[YoelFried]

Now I fully understand that the consumer is wrong....
Are you maybe a coin dealer or making money off the advertisement.

[YoelFried]

Now I fully understand that the consumer is wrong....
Are you maybe a void dealer or making money off the advertisement.

*coin

[YoelFried]

Bottom line is, if the price dropped, everyone would expect that PFS honor the deal of the opt-in. Be a mentch and do the same.

In today days the consumer is right. We as consumers should expect to raise the price at least that is should be worth selling it to them.

[CountValentine]

Now I fully understand that the consumer is wrong....
Are you maybe a coin dealer or making money off the advertisement.

Why are you trying so hard to make this so difficult. Two individuals agreed on something so you honor it. What is so hard to understand?

[YoelFried]

Maybe someone can give me some insight re these “ buying arrangements” with buying groups.

My question here is- when someone signs up for a deal with buying group, is the agreement to sell it to him at a commission or is it a shlichus and the  commission is payment for services? If its the latter then the issue could be much more than just mechsar emuna, it might be binding esp if your intention at the time of purchase was to give it to buying groups. Im just speculating and am unfamiliar of this halacha but am curious as to how these agreements are structured and the halachic status of them.

In my view if the buyer is paying for the goods than it belongs to him as the actual buyer is who pays.

[zagguru]

Maybe someone can give me some insight re these “ buying arrangements” with buying groups.

My question here is- when someone signs up for a deal with buying group, is the agreement to sell it to him at a commission or is it a shlichus and the  commission is payment for services? If its the latter then the issue could be much more than just mechsar emuna, it might be binding esp if your intention at the time of purchase was to give it to buying groups. Im just speculating and am unfamiliar of this halacha but am curious as to how these agreements are structured and the halachic status of them.

Not everything is black and white. Sometimes you just need to use your common sense and ethical judgement. I dont think anyone can argue that its ethical for you to opt out if you opted in before the deal just because the price went up

[YoelFried]

Why are you trying so hard to make this so difficult. Two individuals agreed on something so you honor it. What is so hard to understand?

Not when it’s 100% lower than market value

[zagguru]

Not when it’s 100% lower than market value

Then why did you opt-in? You knew there was a chance the price would go up or down

[TimT]

Just wondering about the logic of opt-in. The deal is that I have to pay for something and then sell it to the coin deals.

If PFS or whatever will payout beforehand than I would understand than there is a commitment, us consumers that we only know about the coin deal from a paid advertisement on Dans Deals and we are not familiar that most of the times the coins value go up, how can you make us committed to a ‘makoch tues’?

You’ll try to bring 3 examples that the price went down... listen up that’s the price of doing business today, as amazon made the path that the consumer is always right.

How could they pay you if there’s no guarantee you’ll succeed in getting it ? Or that you’ll actually be honest enough to send it to him ? And he’s supposed to sit & hope that everybody returns the money  ? That’s 1 sure way to go bankrupt. And besides, he has a reputation, the hundreds or thousands opting in don’t.

[YoelFried]

Just wondering about the logic of opt-in. The deal is that I have to pay for something and then sell it to the coin deals.

If PFS or whatever will payout beforehand than I would understand than there is a commitment, us consumers that we only know about the coin deal from a paid advertisement on Dans Deals and we are not familiar that most of the times the coins value go up, how can you make us committed to a ‘makoch tues’?

You’ll try to bring 3 examples that the price went down... listen up that’s the price of doing business today, as amazon made the path that the consumer is always right.

As said in a earlier post

[Yitzshpitz]

Not everything is black and white. Sometimes you just need to use your common sense and ethical judgement. I dont think anyone can argue that its ethical for you to opt out if you opted in before the deal just because the price went up

Im not discussing ethics, I agree with you regarding that. I’m wondering if its even worse and perhaps a violation of a binding agreement and a requirement to give over the coins.

[YoelFried]

How could they pay you if there’s no guarantee you’ll succeed in getting it ? Or that you’ll actually be honest enough to send it to him ? And he’s supposed to sit & hope that everybody returns the money  ? That’s 1 sure way to go bankrupt. And besides, he has a reputation, the hundreds or thousands opting in don’t.

As you said. Just like he has his best the interest same to the consumer.

[CountValentine]

Not when it’s 100% lower than market value

Why would anyone in their right mind ever do business with you?

[YoelFried]

Why would anyone in their right mind ever do business with you?

If it was B2B than your right. Not when it’s B2C

[CountValentine]

If it was B2B than your right. Not when it’s B2C

So you feel it is ok to screw a business but not a consumer?

Why would anyone in their right mind ever do business with you?

[YoelFried]

So you feel it is ok to screw a business but not a consumer?

Do you return to amazon Stuff that are opened? Where is your ethics there? They can’t resell it anymore as new?

[CountValentine]

Do you return to amazon Stuff that are opened? Where is your ethics there? They can’t resell it anymore as new?

I follow Amazon's return policy. The only time I returned something to Amazon was because of wrong item or broken.
Yes I have done unethical things but I don't try to convince myself they are ethical like you are trying to do.

[YoelFried]

I follow Amazon's return policy. The only time I returned something to Amazon was because of wrong item or broken.
Yes I have done unethical things but I don't try to convince myself they are ethical like you are trying to do.

Do you expect when you buy something from a merchant and the price drops even only from a different store they should price match it? Didn’t you agree on the price when you checkout?