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Would you buy a German car?

Yes
26 (35.6%)
No
47 (64.4%)

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #60 on: May 06, 2016, 06:18:42 PM »
I'd say cars are in a separate category than other things. And  in some ways VW is in a separate category than other German cars.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #61 on: May 06, 2016, 06:26:18 PM »
I'd say cars are in a separate category than other things. And  in some ways VW is in a separate category than other German cars.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2016, 06:43:35 PM »
Btw I'm smelling now the freshly baked shlisel challah, that was mixed with a bosch mixer ymmmmmm!
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2016, 06:46:13 PM »
Btw I'm smelling now the freshly baked shlisel challah, that was mixed with a bosch mixer ymmmmmm!
Me too, except ours was made in a Kitchenaid, yummier with less guilt ;)
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2016, 07:06:00 PM »
Btw I'm smelling now the freshly baked shlisel challah, that was mixed with a bosch mixer ymmmmmm!
Today was actually the first time my mother used a bosch to make challah. She just bought her first one right before pesach. For the past couple decades she's been mixing it with her hands.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2016, 12:28:30 AM »
Ford was a notorious anti semite who directly supported the nazi war effort.
Daimler owns Chrysler (and dodge and jeep),  same parent company as Mercedes.
I think this is a purely emotional thing,  not rational.  And as such,  the only consideration is if you find it offensive,  or others (family members,  neighbors etc) will find it offensive or be hurt by it.

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2016, 12:37:27 AM »
Ford's newspapers may have inspired Hitler in the first place...
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2016, 12:48:25 AM »
Ford was a notorious anti semite who directly supported the nazi war effort.
Daimler owns Chrysler (and dodge and jeep),  same parent company as Mercedes.
I think this is a purely emotional thing,  not rational.  And as such,  the only consideration is if you find it offensive,  or others (family members,  neighbors etc) will find it offensive or be hurt by it.
Chrysler is owned by Fiat not Daimler

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2016, 12:49:21 AM »
Daimler owns Chrysler (and dodge and jeep),  same parent company as Mercedes.

Daimler has not owned Chrysler for several years. It was spun off, sold to a private equity firm (can't recall now which) and then sold to Fiat.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2016, 12:54:27 AM »
Daimler has not owned Chrysler for several years. It was spun off, sold to a private equity firm (can't recall now which) and then sold to Fiat.
My point stands.  And fiat made military machines for the Germans during WW2.

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2016, 08:58:08 AM »
Daimler has not owned Chrysler for several years. It was spun off, sold to a private equity firm (can't recall now which) and then sold to Fiat.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2016, 12:10:54 PM »
My point stands.  And fiat made military machines for the Germans during WW2.

I would argue that VW stands on a category of its own as it was a Hitler pet project.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #73 on: May 08, 2016, 01:39:11 PM »
If you are looking for a consensus, you came to the wrong place.

I'll start. Officially they dont.
Officially they don't?!?! The whole Israel drives Mercedes
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #74 on: May 08, 2016, 03:03:31 PM »
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #75 on: May 08, 2016, 04:51:57 PM »
I would suggest that this entire discussion is based on feelings, and not on any absolute logic.

I might feel a certain way, and might even be repulsed by other people's actions which are incongruent with my feelings, but I would never criticize them as I realize that those are my feelings and not everyone feels the same way. I am unaware of any Halachic issue with using German cars or other German manufactured items, which would make it incumbent on me to express any מחאה.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #76 on: May 08, 2016, 08:51:40 PM »
From the Lubavitcher Rebbe:

Greeting and Blessing;

I am in receipt of your letter in which you ask my opinion "as to whether it is a weakness or impropriety" to avoid the purchase of goods made in Germany. You add that you ask this question as a Jew, in light of Jewish law and custom.

Surely this is more a matter of feeling rather than a question of Jewish law and custom. Consequently, as in all matters of sentiment, it is difficult to express an opinion that would have universal application.

At any rate it certainly cannot be categorized as a "weakness". On the contrary, a decision of this kind bespeaks strength of will, all the more so since it entails some inconvenience.

Nor can it be considered an "impropriety", since it is based on a principle which may be considered to come under the category of "Remember what Amalek did unto you". For, as is well known, the inhuman atrocities, etc., against our defenseless and innocent brethren were not perpetrated by a small group, but were carried out with the knowledge, consent and even cooperation of the vast majority of the German nation. Moreover, I do not think than anyone seriously believes that the Germany of today is entirely different from the Germany of two decades ago.

While on this subject a point must be made which, unfortunately, is often overlooked. It is that the so-called "Final Solution", which Hitler wished to bring about, can take various forms. It can take the form of an overt attempt at physical extermination, or it can be an insidious process which is no less destructive and perhaps even more so, namely, through assimilation and intermarriage, a process which began in Germany long before Hitler, when Jews tried to hide their Jewish identity and conduct their daily life like their German neighbors and associates, etc. This process, most unfortunately, is very much in evidence all around us. Whatever explanation may be given, the effect is the same. Hitler, too, had a "philosophy" that "justified" his actions.

It is too painful of a subject to dwell on here, but the conclusion is obvious. Each and every one of us who is aware of the situation must do everything possible to counteract the tide of assimilation by positive and dedicated action, to strengthen the eternal Jewish values and Torah-true institutions in his community and environment.

With blessing,

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #77 on: May 08, 2016, 08:56:06 PM »
Interesting letter.
I guess the crux of the question is whether the German nation changed. The Rebbe says that two decades later that it did not. That makes sense, as that very generation perpetrated the crimes.

But now we're 8 decades later and 98% have died out. But there are still survivors on the German and Jewish side of the Holocaust.
So like I said before:
it's a proximity thing. In another generation or 2 tops it'll be gone.

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #78 on: May 08, 2016, 09:51:55 PM »
In Israel German cars are extremely common.

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #79 on: May 08, 2016, 10:28:04 PM »
Like I said, it's a proximity thing. In another generation or 2 tops it'll be gone.

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