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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1540 on: August 31, 2020, 01:53:38 PM »
Elal had a flight from JFK today (842).

Cargo

For passenger flights. They fly plenty of cargo.

777 fleet has been converted to cargo.

Yes but are they flying?

Elal suspended cargo operations ~2 months ago.

That's what I had in mind. Went through the flight history of all the tail numbers. Except maintenance here and there, not much move

LY842 is operated by Polar Air Cargo, it's not an Elal aircraft or crew. Elal doesnt have anymore 747 even in a cargo config

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1541 on: August 31, 2020, 02:00:56 PM »
Elal suspended cargo operations ~2 months ago.
Fake news

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1542 on: August 31, 2020, 02:02:34 PM »
Are you sure?
I had in mind that besides de 747 Cargo mentioned above, (and I have a feeling it's leased) the rest of the fleet had been grounded and all pilots put on unpaid leave
They're operating 2x weekly to ny. And numerous weekly flights to LGG. Not necessarily their planes, but they are definitely flying.

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1543 on: August 31, 2020, 02:20:47 PM »
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-tami-mozes-borovitz-seeks-to-keep-control-of-el-al-1001341061

Why do I have this bitter feeling that she will keep control of LY

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1544 on: September 01, 2020, 02:46:30 PM »
Surprisingly, found 7 Economy one-way LY EWR-TLV on Qantas site for Shavuos 2021 for the 37,800K miles and $9.60 tax ea. rate. Thought these seats were going to be needle in a haystack for quite some time to come. But thankfully, apparently not.
No choice but brief layover in Paris on return. Pretty good AF deal for 25K each, but about 120 in taxes. (Cheaper than a LHR layover).

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1545 on: September 02, 2020, 04:38:47 AM »

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1546 on: September 03, 2020, 06:00:56 AM »
LY plans weekly cargo flight to UAE

(Bloomberg) --El Al Israel Airlines to operate the first commercial cargo flight by an Israeli airline from Ben Gurion International Airport to Dubai, according to emailed from company.

The first flight, using a Boeing 747 jet, will fly to Belgium and from there to Dubai, carrying agricultural and high tech products.

It will later become a weekly flight, leaving Israel every Wednesday and returning to Israel on Fridays.
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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1547 on: September 03, 2020, 09:57:16 AM »
LY plans weekly cargo flight to UAE

(Bloomberg) --El Al Israel Airlines to operate the first commercial cargo flight by an Israeli airline from Ben Gurion International Airport to Dubai, according to emailed from company.

The first flight, using a Boeing 747 jet, will fly to Belgium and from there to Dubai, carrying agricultural and high tech products.

It will later become a weekly flight, leaving Israel every Wednesday and returning to Israel on Fridays.
Why is a long detour via LGG?

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1548 on: September 03, 2020, 10:05:35 AM »
Why is a long detour via LGG?
Im guessing the tlv-lgg leg was already booked, and they are repositioning the plane in UAE instead of stopping by tlv

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1549 on: September 03, 2020, 02:46:25 PM »
Now extended cancellation of all flights past yom tov; expertflyer showing 0 across the board for mid October for YYZ, EWR and most JFK flights

Dear EL AL Passenger,
Due to the COVID-19 situation, your flights with EL AL that were scheduled to depart on 01-24/10 have been canceled.
Your ticket will be kept for future use at this stage.
When EL Al returns to normal operation, we will offer you an alternative for your ticket or monetary refund, per your selection.
You can follow our flight schedule on our website: http://www.elal.com
We apologize for the inconvenience anticipate returning back to our regular operation.
EL AL.

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1550 on: September 03, 2020, 02:48:26 PM »
Now extended cancellation of all flights past yom tov; expertflyer showing 0 across the board for mid October for YYZ, EWR and most JFK flights

Dear EL AL Passenger,
Due to the COVID-19 situation, your flights with EL AL that were scheduled to depart on 01-24/10 have been canceled.
Your ticket will be kept for future use at this stage.
When EL Al returns to normal operation, we will offer you an alternative for your ticket or monetary refund, per your selection.
You can follow our flight schedule on our website: http://www.elal.com
We apologize for the inconvenience anticipate returning back to our regular operation.
EL AL.
Until they don't get bailed out there won't be flights

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1551 on: September 04, 2020, 01:35:13 AM »
Tami Borovitz is the James Dolan of the airline industry.

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1552 on: September 04, 2020, 02:42:48 AM »
Sitting on the beach, I just saw an LY plane in the sky.. first time in a while.. looks like just pilot training.. training for what?  ;D

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1553 on: September 04, 2020, 08:29:26 AM »
Sitting on the beach, I just saw an LY plane in the sky.. first time in a while.. looks like just pilot training.. training for what?  ;D
Aircraft airworthiness, or simply to keep the pilots current. I guess like them to answer them for similar training is going to be more expensive

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1554 on: September 04, 2020, 09:50:45 AM »
Tami Borovitz is the James Dolan of the airline industry.

That's insulting to Mr Dolan.

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1555 on: September 04, 2020, 11:53:55 AM »

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1558 on: September 08, 2020, 08:35:47 PM »
We had 3 round-trip tickets EWR-TLV for late July that were cancelled.
El Al is simply unreachable.
We filed a DoT complaint and just received this (see below).
Has anyone else been in this situation and can tell us what to expect?
Thank you.
(I hope I'm posting in the right place.)

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This responds to your communication regarding EL AL ISRAEL. The U.S. Department of Transportation seeks to ensure that all airline passengers are treated fairly. Complaints from consumers are helpful to us in determining whether the airlines are in compliance with our rules and to track trends or spot areas of concern that warrant further action.

Based on the information you have provided, your complaint appears to fall under the Department's rules. We will forward your complaint to the airline and ask the company to respond directly to you with a copy to us. Airlines are required to acknowledge receipt of a consumer complaint within 30 days and provide a substantive response to the complainant within 60 days. We will review the airline's response. If you need to contact me, please include your name and case number (see above).

If our review of your complaint and the response from the company discloses a potential violation of our rules, we may pursue enforcement action. Generally, we pursue enforcement action on the basis of a number of complaints which may indicate a pattern or practice of violating our rules. Your complaint may be among those considered and may lead to appropriate enforcement action including the assessment of civil penalties. However, we have no authority to order compensation for individual complainants.

We have entered your complaint in our computerized industry monitoring system, and it will be counted among the number of complaints filed against this airline in our monthly Air Travel Consumer Report. This report allows consumers and air travel companies to compare the complaint records of individual airlines and tour operators. The data in this report also serve as a basis for rulemaking, legislation and research. Consumer information for air travelers, including the Air Travel Consumer Report and our pamphlet Fly-Rights, a Consumer's Guide to Air Travel, can be found on our website: www.transportation.gov/airconsumer. Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1559 on: September 09, 2020, 09:15:42 AM »
LY agrees to go ahead with the equity issuances by September 15th

By next week we should know who the new owners are.

If I had to bet id say that Rosenberg will buy a controlling stake during the issuance.

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001342149