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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1640 on: September 21, 2020, 03:27:21 PM »
So did they reach out to Dan or not?

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1641 on: September 21, 2020, 03:47:40 PM »
So did they reach out to Dan or not?
Good question.
But in any event, the main priority right now is to manage the workforce, and especially the relationship with the pilots. Cost-cutting and workforce optimization is make or break at this point.

If the new owner manages it properly, then there is plenty of room to turn this airline around, IMHO, otherwise it's not worth wasting Dan's time

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1642 on: September 21, 2020, 09:17:46 PM »
on a side note just curious with all their  flying back and forth to israel the past few weekS, were they the only ones, besides government,  allowed into Israel on a permit without having to quarantine for 14 days ? did anyone hear of anyone else?

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1643 on: September 21, 2020, 09:30:15 PM »
on a side note just curious with all their  flying back and forth to israel the past few weekS, were they the only ones, besides government,  allowed into Israel on a permit without having to quarantine for 14 days ? did anyone hear of anyone else?
No. Yes.
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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1644 on: September 23, 2020, 06:54:21 AM »
They are looking to replace all the board members
@Dan it's your chance!  ;)

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343580

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1645 on: September 23, 2020, 10:28:25 AM »
They are looking to replace all the board members
@Dan it's your chance!  ;)

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343580

Necessary move. Need to drain the swamp.

Biggest challenge is dealing with the unions. As the sole (at this point) commenter on the article wrote:

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אל תשכח. משימתך מר רוזנברג היא קודם כל להבהיר לטייסים מי בעל הבית ומי קובע את העניינים. אחר כך, קצץ להם 50% לפחות. ותחתים אותם על מסמך התחייבות שטייס שיגרום נזקים מכוונים לאל על כפי שנעשה עד כה יפוטר מיידית מהחברה. לא תעשה זאת ? ראה את כספך ככסף שהושלך לפח אשפה.
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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1646 on: September 23, 2020, 10:30:28 AM »
They are looking to replace all the board members
@Dan it's your chance!  ;)

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343580
I guess my biggest question is why is Matmid so convoluted? You need a PhD to understand the program.
Is there a reason the program can't be run like an American FFP?
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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1647 on: September 23, 2020, 10:32:28 AM »
I guess my biggest question is why is Matmid so convoluted? You need a PhD to understand the program.
Is there a reason the program can't be run like an American FFP?
I don't have an educated answer.
But it's not impossible to think that it's complicated on purpose - so that clients don't realize the poor value / lack of comparability vs other airlines

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1648 on: September 23, 2020, 10:32:33 AM »
I guess my biggest question is why is Matmid so convoluted? You need a PhD to understand the program.
Is there a reason the program can't be run like an American FFP?

I guess the biggest reason for that is lack of any airline partners (for redemption, and IINM also for earnings) which gives no impetus for fundamental change from the originally devised scheme that might work for a single airline/participant loyalty plan.
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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1649 on: September 23, 2020, 10:33:19 AM »
Necessary move. Need to drain the swamp.

Biggest challenge is dealing with the unions. As the sole (at this point) commenter on the article wrote:
I want to believe that Rosenberg's advisors have done their homework before investing

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1650 on: September 23, 2020, 01:20:09 PM »
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.

It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1651 on: September 23, 2020, 01:22:21 PM »
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.

It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Pathetic.
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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1652 on: September 23, 2020, 01:54:18 PM »
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.

It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Eli can hire Kenny as a consultant.

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1653 on: September 23, 2020, 01:58:21 PM »
Pathetic.
Understatement.

It's emblematic of the failed corporate DNA. Always find the problem with others. Delay, obfuscate, but never take personal responsibility.
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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1654 on: September 23, 2020, 02:00:12 PM »
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.

It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Link?
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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1656 on: September 23, 2020, 02:04:47 PM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1657 on: September 23, 2020, 02:08:43 PM »
Does it say who submitted the complaint?
Yes it's a elal filling. It says 'the company turned to the ministers'

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1658 on: September 23, 2020, 02:16:53 PM »
Does it say who submitted the complaint?
Osishkin and Fogelman signed it.

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Re: EL AL
« Reply #1659 on: September 23, 2020, 02:21:37 PM »