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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #75 on: June 08, 2016, 11:16:25 AM »
You are surprised people suspect her agenda?

Agenda?  First it's political correctness and now she has an agenda?  What may that be?

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2016, 12:13:33 PM »
I think people are getting way too worked up about this. What's the big deal if Hermione is black? Yes, those two quotes about the white face and looking very brown make canonical support for black Hermione a bit tortured, but frankly using those two to say that black Hermione is definitively ruled out by canon is also overdoing it. JKR hasn't said in any of her statements that Hermione was always black, which would be ridiculous. She's just saying that there is some wiggle room to interpret that way while technically remaining within canon. Fans wondered what her opinion was and so she provided it!

Agenda?  First it's political correctness and now she has an agenda?  What may that be?

Nobody could really care less if she is or isn't black. The fact is that the book was originally written with her as a white girl. The fact that Rowling feels a pressure to portray her as a black, against the original reality, is what is bothering people.

 This is the same pressure that people feel to ignore black on black crime, in fear of looking racist, or the fear people have of pulling over a Muslim in the airport, as not to look like a profiler. People just want to forget what color they are.

 Whether a black person shoots a black person or a white person shoots a black person, a person shot a person. Why do black lives only matter if it was taken by a white? Lives matter, period. College acceptance should be based on most eligible, regardless of ethnicity, religion, color, and gender. 

Affirmative action, otherwise known as reverse racism, is what is bothering people for the same reason that racism should. The dream equality is being quashed by this, as is basic safety. People just want to ignore people's color and judge then based on the person they actually are, but these activists aren't letting that happen.

People are still being discriminated based on their color. If Hermione is white, let her stay white. Why is that a crime? This is what's bothering people.
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #77 on: June 08, 2016, 02:23:24 PM »
Nobody could really care less if she is or isn't black. The fact is that the book was originally written with her as a white girl. The fact that Rowling feels a pressure to portray her as a black, against the original reality, is what is bothering people.

 This is the same pressure that people feel to ignore black on black crime, in fear of looking racist, or the fear people have of pulling over a Muslim in the airport, as not to look like a profiler. People just want to forget what color they are.

 Whether a black person shoots a black person or a white person shoots a black person, a person shot a person. Why do black lives only matter if it was taken by a white? Lives matter, period. College acceptance should be based on most eligible, regardless of ethnicity, religion, color, and gender. 

Affirmative action, otherwise known as reverse racism, is what is bothering people for the same reason that racism should. The dream equality is being quashed by this, as is basic safety. People just want to ignore people's color and judge then based on the person they actually are, but these activists aren't letting that happen.

People are still being discriminated based on their color. If Hermione is white, let her stay white. Why is that a crime? This is what's bothering people.

Nobody is being discriminated against.  They sought an actor to play a part, and they cast one - who by all accounts - is phenomenal.  If JK had a problem, I'm certain they would have made other arrangements, but she didn't.  And where has there been any mention of her being "pressured?"

If reverse racism is prevalent, this is a poor metaphorical example to stand on to protest it. 

I personally feel that the people who are bothered by the choice have a deeper issue to resolve. 

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2016, 02:27:43 PM »
I disagree. Had JK come out and said I'm shaking things up a bit or taking artistic license I wouldn't have any issue.
The books clearly depict her as white unless you take a very tortured read of them and the movies only back that up. That she won't admit that is what's ruffling feathers.
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2016, 02:36:31 PM »
I disagree.  Even if she would have said that people would still be pissed.

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2016, 02:39:18 PM »
I disagree.  Even if she would have said that people would still be pissed.

whereas now....?
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2016, 02:41:12 PM »
I disagree.  Even if she would have said that people would still be pissed.
Some, but far fewer IMHO.
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2016, 04:04:36 PM »
I disagree. Had JK come out and said I'm shaking things up a bit or taking artistic license I wouldn't have any issue.
The books clearly depict her as white unless you take a very tortured read of them and the movies only back that up. That she won't admit that is what's ruffling feathers.
Exactly - some people will always find a reason to be angry. Look, let's face it - some people are racists.

But I think most people would have been fine had she said something like, "I'm really excited about this fresh new take on Hermione, and I'm really happy and proud that they chose to express their story in the way that felt right to them."

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2016, 11:12:57 AM »
Via FM,
"The story was good, but not great.  Iím hoping that the book will be better on that score.  But, the biggest problem with the story probably canít be fixed in a book.  I canít say much about this without spoiling the story Ė suffice to say that it seems as if some of the rules of magic established in the original series seem to have been broken in this round."
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #84 on: July 18, 2016, 01:40:54 PM »
Via FM,
"The story was good, but not great.  Iím hoping that the book will be better on that score.  But, the biggest problem with the story probably canít be fixed in a book.  I canít say much about this without spoiling the story Ė suffice to say that it seems as if some of the rules of magic established in the original series seem to have been broken in this round."
That would be a cardinal sin.  Forget casting a black hermione, changing the rules of how magic works is basically rewriting the entire series

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #85 on: July 18, 2016, 01:41:22 PM »
Agreed. Not cool.
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #86 on: August 03, 2016, 06:57:23 AM »
Anyone read it?

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #87 on: August 03, 2016, 08:08:30 AM »
Anyone read it?
Yes. I personally loved it. It's not JK Rowling style of writing at all but it's extremely captivating.

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #88 on: August 03, 2016, 09:18:23 AM »
Yes. I personally loved it. It's not JK Rowling style of writing at all but it's extremely captivating.
Are the rules of Magic changed?

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #89 on: August 03, 2016, 12:29:24 PM »
Are the rules of Magic changed?
In a certain way, she changes the way a concept that existed in the 3rd book works. But for the regular magic like spells and wands - no.