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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2016, 05:24:36 PM »
And the "looking very brown" after summer break? Would you say that a black person was looking very brown after a summer?
Honestly, didn't know about that one. That's a stronger case, simply because one might use white to connote fear, or pink to connote embarrassment - she's described that way once or twice as well. Fear and embarrassment are things that can apply to dark skinned people. Tanning is not. (ETA: Well, dark skin can probably technically darken from sun, but it wouldn't be significant enough to spot walking up to the person)

To be honest though, the whole thing is so silly. The original controversy is silly - who cares if a dark skinned person is playing a character that's light skinned! And really that's about as much as JKR should have said. Whether she was correct the actual text allows for the 'Black Hermione' interpretation (which I think the looking very brown quote you mentioned is the nail in the coffin), if she knows she didn't right it that way she shouldn't be playing Twister with it after the fact.

Back to the first quote though (white face), if you assume it was referring to her skin color, what's the point of the adjective in that context at all?

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2016, 05:27:23 PM »
I think the main issue is the spin JKR is using. Clearly Hermione wasn't written as a black character.
#NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat, but just be honest and say it's a new interpretation or whatever rather than be coy and say it was always that way.
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2016, 05:31:12 PM »
And the "looking very brown" after summer break? Would you say that a black person was looking very brown after a summer?
She obviously had a white person in mind when writing Hermione.  However, that doesnt mean that a black person cant fill the role, the examples you are giving from the book dont preclude a black actor.  Either way, I dont see why anyone cares. 

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2016, 05:31:58 PM »
She obviously had a white person in mind when writing Hermione.  However, that doesnt mean that a black person cant fill the role, the examples you are giving from the book dont preclude a black actor.  Either way, I dont see why anyone cares. 

I think the main issue is the spin JKR is using. Clearly Hermione wasn't written as a black character.
#NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat, but just be honest and say it's a new interpretation or whatever rather than be coy and say it was always that way.
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2016, 05:39:01 PM »
She obviously had a white person in mind when writing Hermione.  However, that doesnt mean that a black person cant fill the role, the examples you are giving from the book dont preclude a black actor.  Either way, I dont see why anyone cares.
No one cares about it being a black character. Heck, people wouldn't have minded if Harry Potter himself was written as a black character.

It's the pandering to SJWs that people care about. The same SJWs who want the next James Bond actor to be a female.

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2016, 06:19:30 PM »
I'll just point out that contextually it means scared, like white with fear. It's super clunky writing, but then if you're interpreting it as actually white due to skin color, that's possibly even more clunky (ie what the heck does that have to do with anything).
"white with fear " is not an description I would ever use to describe a scared black person.

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2016, 06:51:12 PM »
"white with fear " is not an description I would ever use to describe a scared black person.
Okay... that doesn't mean it's not used that way.

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2016, 07:03:27 PM »
No one cares about it being a black character. Heck, people wouldn't have minded if Harry Potter himself was written as a black character.

It's the pandering to SJWs that people care about. The same SJWs who want the next James Bond actor to be a female.
To be fair, I don't think that was the actual sequence of events. The black actress was cast for the play, and fans began complaining about it right away. So obviously those people need to get a life right of the bat. But I totally agree that the next part, JKR's response, was pathetic pandering.

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2016, 07:27:47 PM »
Btw u can't bring a raaya from book 3 for anything because the whole book doesn't make sense

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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2016, 07:29:04 PM »
Btw u can't bring a raaya from book 3 for anything because the whole book doesn't make sense
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2016, 08:22:49 PM »
I'll just point out that contextually it means scared, like white with fear. It's super clunky writing, but then if you're interpreting it as actually white due to skin color, that's possibly even more clunky (ie what the heck does that have to do with anything).

Contextually, it means a white person being scared. Because a Caucasian person can turn so pale that they look, uh...white.

And as an aside, you can certainly have a black actress portraying Hermione, but that's artistic license, it's not canon. And when you try to pass it off as canon, it becomes an exercise in pure PC.


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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2016, 08:27:27 PM »
Contextually, it means a white person being scared. Because a Caucasian person can turn so pale that they look, uh...white.

And as an aside, you can certainly have a black actress portraying Hermione, but that's artistic license, it's not canon. And when you try to pass it off as canon, it becomes an exercise in pure PC.

She hasn't said it's canon.
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2016, 08:28:44 PM »
She hasn't said it's canon.
She's saying that Hermione in the book could have been black.
Except she can't without a very tortured reading of the books.
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2016, 08:30:50 PM »
She's saying that Hermione in the book could have been black.
Except she can't without a very tortured reading of the books.

I agree with that; I'm just pointing out that this is incorrect, she's not saying its canon:

And when you try to pass it off as canon, it becomes an exercise in pure PC.
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Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2016, 08:37:56 PM »
Contextually, it means a white person being scared. Because a Caucasian person can turn so pale that they look, uh...white.
I disagree with your limitation in the usage. That's what you'd call the etymology of the phrase, it doesn't have to define it. I still think it's canon that she's white, just not necessarily from there alone.