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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #140 on: June 16, 2016, 01:01:51 PM »
Wrong wrong and wrong!

Welcome to the conversation.  Now go read through the past few pages, learn the sugya, than report back.  Thanks!

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #141 on: June 16, 2016, 01:04:10 PM »
Right, and anything that makes people say "look at those Jews" Hashem considers a chillul.
absoulutely incorrect. Halacha dictates that only doing an aveira can be a Chillul Hashem. So if you eat something without making a bracha more likely you are oiver on CH then by not posting a pic of the democratic nominee.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #142 on: June 16, 2016, 01:04:26 PM »
I don't recall if the Gemara specifies whether the butcher was Jewish or not, so I can't say until I go back over the sugya, but I still maintain that this can be a CH.

I'll do you a favor; look at that gemara. You'll get much better material. There are much better examples there for your cause than not paying the butcher right away.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #143 on: June 16, 2016, 01:05:44 PM »
Right, and anything that makes people say "look at those Jews" Hashem considers a chillul.
Like those Jews that take off every other week for holidays? Or those Jews that can't shake my wife's hand? Or those Jews that refuse to eat my food?
Wrong wrong and wrong!

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #144 on: June 16, 2016, 01:07:34 PM »
Right, and anything that makes people say "look at those Jews" Hashem considers a chillul.
There's many things that we Jews do that causes goyim to the say "look at those Jews"
One day you might (don't take me literally) cut out portions of the shilchen urich to prevent the "look at those Jews" issue..

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #145 on: June 16, 2016, 01:09:51 PM »
There's many things that we Jews do that causes goyim to the say "look at those Jews"
One day you might (don't take me literally) cut out portions of the shilchen urich to prevent the "look at those Jews" issue..
That's how reform started

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #146 on: June 16, 2016, 01:14:58 PM »
absoulutely incorrect. Halacha dictates that only doing an aveira can be a Chillul Hashem.

That is 100% incorrect according to every shita I've ever seen.  You have a source to back that up?

I'll do you a favor; look at that gemara. You'll get much better material. There are much better examples there for your cause than not paying the butcher right away.


Will do.  It's been a while since I hashed this out with AJ before he was banned.

Like those Jews that take off every other week for holidays? Or those Jews that can't shake my wife's hand? Or those Jews that refuse to eat my food?

Did you read my prior response?  We're not discussing a clear lav hear (presumbaly).

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Was photoshopping HRC out of the war room picture a chillul hashem?

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #147 on: June 16, 2016, 01:16:37 PM »
Even according to the shittah that gezel akum is muttar its still considered a chillul hashem. It doesnt matter if it wouldv been muttar w/o chilul hashem


Or this is said by taus akum? Either way, the point is the same
« Last Edit: June 16, 2016, 01:23:12 PM by sharkky »

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #148 on: June 16, 2016, 01:19:44 PM »
Was photoshopping HRC out of the war room picture a chillul hashem?
Yes. They should have not printed it, or cut out/replace it with a different one
It's only a chilul hashem because there were other solutions. You don't like a picture you don't need to print it. But don't go around photoshopping. That doesn't mean they wrong about the idea of not having woman pictures
« Last Edit: June 16, 2016, 01:24:14 PM by koplonko »

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #149 on: June 16, 2016, 01:30:29 PM »



@koplonko
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Was photoshopping HRC out of the war room picture a chillul hashem?

I wouldn't have done it. Taking her out of a picture is worse than publishing no picture. It looked like they were pretending she didn't exist and wasn't involved.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #150 on: June 16, 2016, 01:35:05 PM »
[quote name="Aaaron" post=1494573 timestamp=1466097298]
Will do.  It's been a while since I hashed this out with AJ before he was banned.
[/quote]
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #151 on: June 16, 2016, 01:37:46 PM »

I wouldn't have done it. Taking her out of a picture is worse than publishing no picture. It looked like they were pretending she didn't exist and wasn't involved.

That's not answering the question...

(Thanks for the daf, the first copy was fine.)

So now that I'm refreshed, can we all agree that something does not need to be assur for it to be a chillul HaShem?

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #152 on: June 16, 2016, 01:53:00 PM »
Iirc there was a bezel issue also because the White House released the pic for any one to use but they made a תנאי that it couldn't be doctored.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #153 on: June 16, 2016, 01:58:24 PM »
Iirc there was a bezel issue also because the White House released the pic for any one to use but they made a תנאי that it couldn't be doctored.
Correct

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #154 on: June 16, 2016, 02:16:19 PM »
She doesn't cover her hair. How can they publish a picture of a woman without her hair covered?
Sear akum not ervah iirc

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #155 on: June 16, 2016, 02:50:57 PM »

I wouldn't have done it. Taking her out of a picture is worse than publishing no picture. It looked like they were pretending she didn't exist and wasn't involved.
Do you understand that it looks that way in both cases?
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #156 on: June 16, 2016, 02:55:46 PM »
Do you understand that it looks that way in both cases?
That writing an article about her speech without putting in a picture of her speaking is denying her involvement in the speech?
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #157 on: June 16, 2016, 03:01:32 PM »
That writing an article about her speech without putting in a picture of her speaking is denying her involvement in the speech?
I am talking about how non-Jews would view PS her out or not ever posting a picture of her if she becomes POTUS. The view will be religious quacks. You can decide if this would be a CH as I am lost based on the 100% opposite comments in this thread.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #158 on: June 16, 2016, 03:11:49 PM »
I am talking about how non-Jews would view PS her out or not ever posting a picture of her if she becomes POTUS. The view will be religious quacks. You can decide if this would be a CH as I am lost based on the 100% opposite comments in this thread.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Not putting in pictures of her would be the ultimate rejection that the progress of electing a female president would represent.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #159 on: June 16, 2016, 03:18:22 PM »
Yeah, yeah, I know. Not putting in pictures of her would be the ultimate rejection that the progress of electing a female president would represent.
I guess you truly don't understand.
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(