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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #195 on: June 17, 2016, 03:32:37 AM »
There are catholic and protestant Christians. Should I respect neither, being as they don't agree what God and Jesus want from them?
Why do you want to insult Catholics like that?  :P
They are basically different religions.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #196 on: June 17, 2016, 04:06:45 AM »
Haven't we established this year's ago?
Years? Your join date is exactly one year ago. Reading up on archives, were you? Or do we have a little k'ben shivim shana with a chaf hadimyon going on?  ;)

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #197 on: June 17, 2016, 06:11:37 AM »
Many read for a long time before joining.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #198 on: June 17, 2016, 09:44:38 AM »
And some people get a new username every year or so!

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #199 on: June 17, 2016, 09:45:19 AM »
And some people get a new username every year or so!
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #201 on: June 17, 2016, 10:04:11 AM »


So there's 2 people,

1. Who'd put his soul in danger by going to Times Square (or any other populated area) where there's lots of half clothed women to put on tfilin for non observant people.

2. Who wouldn't look at a photo of even clothed women (not discussing if its prohibited by halucha) just for God's sake.

So whom would you call nut case???

What if it's both the same person. Many people I know do both.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #202 on: June 17, 2016, 10:05:56 AM »
This is why I asked early on if it matters what others think of ones religion.
Simply put, it depends (which is why you are seeing such conflicting reports here) and obviously it brings up the whole CH conversation. If you are doing something proper as dictated by your religion (again, according to your definition of proper - others may disagree), then what others think should generally not play a role in deciding your actions. If it is not proper, or it IS proper but could be done in a more tasteful or less in-your-face way while still remaining proper, than actions should definitely be taken to avoid the public's negative perceptions.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #203 on: June 17, 2016, 10:06:53 AM »

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #204 on: June 17, 2016, 10:13:33 AM »
Dan, with all due respect you lack knowledge in halacha. Tznius is a halachic topic not a CH topic. Yes there are halachos regarding looking at (even!!) pictures of woman. The fact that you are not aware of them does not change them. The fact that certain people photoshopped instead of cutting it out does not change the halacha. Certain things are assur.
As a lubavitcher it's easy for you to pull out "mivtzoim" as a blanket rule that everything is muttar, those that actually do mivtzoim can attest as to how bad it is. They only fo it because they say the lubavitcher rebbe said he  took responsibility.
Regarding pictures there is a back and forth between rav gavriel tzinner and the Lubavitcher rebbe.
The rebbe allowed:
1) black and white
2) photo
3) of the Rebbitzin ,
3) whom nobody really knew
Still it is מדת חסידות להחמיר however in this case we could print it,
4) because it can add to והחי יתן אל לבו
+100
Sounds like a fair argument. I don't think any Lubavitcher's would want to argue with the Rebbe. I have seen this conversation although I don't recall exactly where. I'll try upload later.


And that's why the beis din of CH came out with a psak that COL is assur due to pics of women?

Oh wait they didn't do that? Maybe what's halacha and what's minhag are different.

Don't get me started on COLlive. They're a bunch of individuals who have no regard for respect of Rabonim, Jewish law and lack many other basic Jewish values.

I would say that the reason why the Rabonim of CH didn't put out a letter against it is because they wouldn't listen anyway but apparently they did sign a letter as koplonko showed us (surprisingly both Rabonim on the same letter).

Bottom line: If a rav gives a psak, wether it's based on halacha, minhag or hashkafa, should have an equal bearing and we can encourage Chareidi news outlets to follow even if some people will think we're crazy.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #205 on: June 17, 2016, 10:20:56 AM »


Why do the vast majority of lubavitchers visit COL are you accusing them all of choosing to not be chabad and breaking halacha?

Give me a break. The short and blunt answer to that question is Yes.

Do you think if you write a letter to the Rebbe or any ultra Orthodox Rabbi asking if you may go to Fox news or CNN just to read up and be informed on the news they would say it's fine? They'd tell you it's not allowed for a number of reasons. Think about it.

Unfortunately the internet causes us to think backwards and our instincts may be drawn to read websites that spew hate, disregard for our Rabonim, and postings that aren't in the spirit of the Torah because we go for editing things.

The fact that many Lubavitcher's visit COLlive (I personally try to stay far away and generally only go there if someone sends me a link to a discussing article) doesn't make it Mutar and wouldn't make it right.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #206 on: June 17, 2016, 10:37:28 AM »
Simply put, it depends (which is why you are seeing such conflicting reports here) and obviously it brings up the whole CH conversation.
Not going to get involved in that one especial on a Friday.  :)
Google is pretty on what constitutes a CH but they are probably over simplifying it. 
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #207 on: June 17, 2016, 10:48:34 AM »


I don't think any Lubavitcher's would want to argue with the Rebbe. I have seen this conversation although I don't recall exactly where. I'll try upload later.

I'll let someone else type out the handwriting when they have time.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #208 on: June 17, 2016, 11:34:29 AM »
Can someone explain who's writing to who?

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #209 on: June 17, 2016, 11:46:11 AM »
Can someone explain who's writing to who?
The typed letter was previously in this thread ascribed to Rabbi Gavriel Zinner written to the Lubavitcher Rebbe in response to a pamphlet that was published shortly after the Rebbetzin's passing with a B&W picture of the Rebbetzin. The handwriting is the Rebbe's response.