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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2016, 07:51:17 AM »
Shulchan Aruch Even Haezer siman chaf-alef
It doesn't really say that.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2016, 07:52:53 AM »
Ultra religious or nut cases?

The latter.
So there's 2 people,

1. Who'd put his soul in danger by going to Times Square (or any other populated area) where there's lots of half clothed women to put on tfilin for non observant people.

2. Who wouldn't look at a photo of even clothed women (not discussing if its prohibited by halucha) just for God's sake.

So whom would you call nut case???

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2016, 07:54:49 AM »
especially siman gimmel- unless your thinking of marrying her  :o

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2016, 08:08:55 AM »
especially siman gimmel- unless your thinking of marrying her  :o
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2016, 08:12:33 AM »
So there's 2 people,

1. Who'd put his soul in danger by going to Times Square (or any other populated area) where there's lots of half clothed women to put on tfilin for non observant people.

2. Who wouldn't look at a photo of even clothed women (not discussing if its prohibited by halucha) just for God's sake.

So whom would you call nut case???

Sounds like #1 is having mesiras nefesh to help fulfill one of the Rambam's 13 principles of Judaism, while #2 is being extreme well beyond the limits of halacha and is aiding a chillul hashem.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2016, 08:16:23 AM »
read it again. even when muttar i.e to marry  it cant be derech znus

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2016, 08:30:43 AM »
read it again. even when muttar i.e to marry  it cant be derech znus
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2016, 08:33:34 AM »
Sounds like #1 is having mesiras nefesh to help fulfill one of the Rambam's 13 principles of Judaism.
I actually eat pork on Tuesdays and Fridays but its fine because I make people frum like that.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2016, 08:34:28 AM »
The bottom line is this, if you're doing something (photoshopping out clothed women, delaying planes, etc) that bring massive bad publicity, you need to take a step back and see if what you're doing is really worth fighting for.

Is there halachic basis for what you're doing? Is there something that can be done to avoid making international headlines making chareidim look bad such as buying a 2nd seat if that's your strongly held conviction?

It's easy to say that something isn't a chillul hashem if it's halacha. But how can you claim that when you're doing something that's beyond halacha?
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2016, 08:35:10 AM »
I actually eat pork on Tuesdays and Fridays but its fine because I make people frum like that.
Right, walking in Times Square is the same as eating pork, great comparison!
I'm assuming you never leave your house in the summer, correct?
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2016, 08:38:28 AM »
Right, walking in Times Square is the same as eating pork, great comparison!
I'm assuming you never leave your house in the summer, correct?
These things dont apply to me as I said
I personally get some of the filthiest papers delivered daily to my door.

I was just trying to figure out if someone holds its assur to look at a woman in a bikini then it doesn't help regardless of what your purpose is.
(I actually regretted posting that 30 seconds later but it was to late  :) )

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2016, 08:42:27 AM »
Having pictures of a woman in a bikini would be assur for the same reason as a fully clothed woman?

How so?
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2016, 08:54:30 AM »
Having pictures of a woman in a bikini would be assur for the same reason as a fully clothed woman?

How so?
There's a component of א"כ נתת דבריך לשיעורין & לא פלוג.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2016, 08:57:10 AM »
The latter.
Those in glass houses...
 
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2016, 09:08:34 AM »
Having pictures of a woman in a bikini would be assur for the same reason as a fully clothed woman?

How so?
I dont recall saying that. Please refresh my memory.