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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #80 on: June 16, 2016, 09:45:03 AM »
No but it works 100% of the time?
I'd say 99.985%, and I'm being conservative.

ETA: better answer

If done right they can.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #81 on: June 16, 2016, 09:45:14 AM »


Why wasn't this done years ago?

It was.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #82 on: June 16, 2016, 09:46:51 AM »
So you're saying a full clothed woman is evil?
I could care less what everyone holds when it doesn't cause issues, but when you start causing international controversy for photoshopping and plane delays then I start caring and want to know how the CH is justified.
Names of women should also be removed. Maybe we should write a letter to the editor how writing about women causes men to think about women the same as pictures do. That would solve all their problems, just only write about men.

Perhaps you have a point, but the Gemoro disagrees with you. "Ra" is referring to sin. The gemoro says one should not even gaze at an ugly women because of "Venishmartem Mikol Davar Ra" It's at the end of the first perek or the begining of the second perek of Avoda Zara - look it up.
Holding up a plane - even though the story is highly exaggerated- is a totally different topic and conversation. You can't compare having a no women picture policy in your communities newspapers to holding up a plane.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #83 on: June 16, 2016, 09:49:10 AM »
Who decides what's a chilul hashem? I'm pretty sure according to the Rambam, the biggest chilul hashem is actually committing a sin.  it's not our self conscious perception of the non-jews perception of of our customs and practices. I don't even believe that the average non-Jewish believer has as hard as a time respecting these papers non women policy as our self conscious modern orthodox have and hence perceive to be a chilul hashem.
Though perhaps in certain instancees it may be a "Chasah Eivah" but that's not a Chilul Hashem as far as I know.
Who decides?
Halacha decides, that's who.
If you're doing something (PSing Hillary, fully clothed) out of a picture, that's when you've completely jumped the shark.
Obviously a sin is a C"H. But there's no basis for sin here. It's just being too lazy to draw a line.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #84 on: June 16, 2016, 09:50:12 AM »
Perhaps you have a point, but the Gemoro disagrees with you. "Ra" is referring to sin. The gemoro says one should not even gaze at an ugly women because of "Venishmartem Mikol Davar Ra" It's at the end of the first perek or the begining of the second perek of Avoda Zara - look it up.
Holding up a plane - even though the story is highly exaggerated- is a totally different topic and conversation. You can't compare having a no women picture policy in your communities newspapers to holding up a plane.
Who's gazing at a fully dressed woman? And why?
And in my mind the PS incident is just as bad as the planes. And how will a Hillary presidency be covered without more PS incidents?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #85 on: June 16, 2016, 09:50:47 AM »
I will address the yes part then. Taking out women like the POTUS makes it look like a fringe religion at best. Not saying that is what it is but the way the rest of the world will perceive it.

So you don't like being looked upon as a fringe religion? Even if that perception maybe wrong? Are you embarrassed about your Judaism? Should we switch around our customs and practices because of our self consciousness of the way the gentiles will perceive us?
Please answer Yes or no.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #86 on: June 16, 2016, 09:50:49 AM »
or that I wasn't serious, or both.
Ok

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #87 on: June 16, 2016, 09:51:47 AM »
Who decides?
Halacha decides, that's who.
If you're doing something (PSing Hillary, fully clothed) out of a picture, that's when you've completely jumped the shark.
Obviously a sin is a C"H. But there's no basis for sin here. It's just being too lazy to draw a line.

Halacho decides, exactly! where is this halacho your referring to?
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #88 on: June 16, 2016, 09:52:02 AM »
So you don't like being looked upon as a fringe religion? Even if that perception maybe wrong? Are you embarrassed about your Judaism? Should we switch around our customs and practices because of our self consciousness of the way the gentiles will perceive us?
Please answer Yes or no.
If it's causing a massive C"H without halachic basis? Of course.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #89 on: June 16, 2016, 09:57:39 AM »
Who's gazing at a fully dressed woman? And why?
And in my mind the PS incident is just as bad as the planes. And how will a Hillary presidency be covered without more PS incidents?

Read the gemoro, I can see how looking at pictures of women can be interpreted to fall into that category of Venishmartam.
In regards to PS, of course it was wrong, as the newspaper themselves said when they apologized. I don't believe they initially thought some self hating Jew will make the story go viral, and probably no one from their insular community will notice. Will they do it again? I'm sure not. Either way, this PS'ing is a different topic than a no picture policy. If a situation like that comes up again, they'll probably just skip the picture.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2016, 09:58:47 AM »
So you don't like being looked upon as a fringe religion? Even if that perception maybe wrong? Are you embarrassed about your Judaism? Should we switch around our customs and practices because of our self consciousness of the way the gentiles will perceive us?
Please answer Yes or no.
Unlike others I do answer questions without the double talk.
No I don't.
Correct
N/A
No

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2016, 09:58:52 AM »



What should be the geder about which females they post?
What should they consider dressed modestly enough?

How's halacha as a geder?

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2016, 09:59:15 AM »
If it's causing a massive C"H without halachic basis? Of course.

Who decided it's without halachic basis? perhaps they have a more stringent view of Halacho? Perhaps we don't know all the relevant sources to decide for them what's halacho?
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2016, 10:00:50 AM »

How's halacha as a geder?
Again, what halacho is everyone referring to? Perhaps they are indeed following their posek's interpretation of halacho?!
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2016, 10:01:22 AM »
Unlike others I do answer questions without the double talk.
No I don't.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2016, 10:01:41 AM »
Dan, you have a huge misconception of what a CH is. You think as long as the world looks at it in a bad way it's a CH, well that is not the case. If it's the right thing then it doesn't make a difference how big of an uproar it causes.
 (I'm not taking sides on the Hillary issues, I just keep seeing stupidity written about CH)

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #96 on: June 16, 2016, 10:03:47 AM »
Bingo!
Just don't complain when the rest of the world looks at it as a bunch of nut cases.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #97 on: June 16, 2016, 10:04:01 AM »
Dan, you have a huge misconception of what a CH is. You think as long as the world looks at it in a bad way it's a CH, well that is not the case. If it's the right thing then it doesn't make a difference how big of an uproar it causes.
 (I'm not taking sides on the Hillary issues, I just keep seeing stupidity written about CH)
Please show me the halachic source of how PSing out fully clothed women and delaying planes because you were too cheap to buy a 2nd seat is the right thing.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #98 on: June 16, 2016, 10:04:57 AM »
Unlike others I do answer questions without the double talk.
No I don't.
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Something like
world perception is meaningful but not at the top of the priority list.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2016, 10:05:54 AM »
Photoshopping Hillary out of that picture was an undeniably brainless thing to do. If you have a problem showing women, don't publish the picture at all, simple as that.

At the end of the day though, "the Prophet exists to sell itself, you silly girl". Whether it's right or wrong, printing pictures of Hillary will unquestionably tick off a large amount of readers; ergo it won't be published.


Names of women should also be removed.

They already do that in the Yiddish newspapers. She exists only as "פרוי קלינטאן" :-X.
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